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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (129078)4/13/2004 10:48:38 AM
From: Sam  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 281500
 
I know, Hawk, that you won't like what Oliphant writes below on Kerry's Iraq plan, and, frankly, neither do I, but given the current set of circumstances, I see little alternative but to try it. It is vague and incomplete, it has all sorts of holes, but as Friedman wrote in his recent column (see next post), the US alone against the Arab street will fail, the US plus the "world" plus at least some Arab presence vs. the Arab street has a shot at success. That is the belief that underlies Kerry's plan, such as it is. While it leaves much to be desired, and will necessarily rely on "feeling" our way through a complex set of circumstances, it is a better plan than what the Bush admin has been offering--which is also vague and full of gaping holes--the most pressing of which currently is, just who are we handing "sovereignty" over to, and what does that mean in a country with over 100,000 foreign troops in it where the opposing factions are violently fighting each other and the occupying troops? And while the IGC has approved a constitution, the largest group is objecting to it.

Iraq exit plan gaining bipartisan support
By Thomas Oliphant, 4/13/2004

WASHINGTON
ON THE SADLY shaky assumption that some degree of stability can soon be restored inside Iraq, there is a route to the future that has a chance of avoiding the worst of all medium-term outcomes -- an almost exclusively American occupation dealing with an increasingly nationalist Iraqi opposition.

The route has growing bipartisan support in this country and strong support abroad from a world that is not simply content to watch the United States stew in its own mess in a vital and volatile region.

It also has support within the fractious administration of George Bush, where Secretary of State Colin Powell has a toehold of influence against discredited unilateralists and where political advisers can state categorically that the status quo is seriously eroding Bush's standing with the public.

Among the obstacles ahead is that Bush is being urged to implement what amounts to John Kerry's ideas for Iraq's future and the future of US involvement.

For those who casually follow politics in the silly form of sound bites and most press coverage, Kerry is not supposed to have an alternative to the status quo, is just sitting there trying to take advantage of current chaos, or is the willing puppet of his cousins in France.

In fact, Kerry made a rather comprehensive proposal nearly seven months ago and updated it shortly after Thanksgiving. Its main elements will sound familiar because you can hear them these days in many Republican and Democratic discussions of the mess that US occupation has become.

First at the Brookings Institution here and then about eight weeks later at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, Kerry said Iraq's future should be framed around two new Security Council resolutions at the United Nations.

One would place the UN in Baghdad as the nation-builder -- a task for which it is both skilled and deeply experienced. Under what they call a "high commissioner," the UN would, to borrow Kerry's verb, "absorb" the entirely American Coalition Provisional Authority. Its job would be to manage both the reconstruction of the country and the establishment of a democratic government.

The second resolution would establish a multilateral military force to provide security in the wrecked country and gradually train and equip Iraqi military and police units. Because of the facts on the ground, Kerry said the multilateral force must be under US command. However, he has suggested a rough division of labor, with the non-US forces taking a major responsibility for the gradual training of a new Iraqi military. The potential importance of Arab or largely Muslim soldiers to this effort should be obvious.

Last September and December, with tempers still warm from the disagreements over the Bush decision to conquer Iraq with only Britain as a major contributing ally, it was not clear whether such a US proposal could move forward. It is now. With shared power and responsibility, a genuine international coalition is more than possible, and it would include serious money for the soaring costs as well.

The alternative should frighten Americans -- an indefinite US military occupation with essentially unilateral casualties and financial costs and a gigantic US Embassy (the administration envisions 3,000 people in it) as the provisional authority's successor. Forget the supposedly important June 30 date for formal transfer of sovereignty to what baseball people would call a player to be named later. This would be an indefinite American occupation, and this is when an analogy to Vietnam would begin to become undeniable.

There are three clues that Bush has at least not yet rejected the international route. The first is that there has been some willingness to pause for negotiations before an all-out military assault on insurgent forces in the Sunni Triangle and the Shi'ite South. The second is that the United States has largely deferred to UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi in the task of brokering a new Iraqi entity to accept sovereignty this summer; Brahimi's task, needless to say, has been greatly complicated by the hideous events of the last two weeks.

Most important, Bush has mostly disappeared from a public leadership role in the current mess. It is fair to criticize his posture, but I think it reflects in part the fact that the forces of sanity in his administration are still alive and kicking.

John Kerry has also been relatively quiet. The Bush campaign people still slam him for not having the alternative he clearly has, and even some Democrats would like to see another major speech on the subject and soon. The fact is, however, that the higher Kerry's Iraq profile is right now the more politicized the subject gets, and that is not in the country's, Iraq's, or even Kerry's interests.

The irony is that he laid all this out a long time ago. It's not his fault that the press was too busy nominating Howard Dean, reelecting Bush, and burying Kerry to notice. But the most damaging four words Kerry could utter now are: I told you so.

Thomas Oliphant's e-mail address is oliphant@globe.com.

boston.com.



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (129078)4/13/2004 11:59:45 AM
From: GST  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Jordanian warning on Iraq troops

Prince Hassan: "When does the violence stop?"
Prince Hassan of Jordan has warned that sending more troops to Iraq will not end violence in the country.
Senior US commander General John Abizaid said on Monday he needed about 10,000 extra troops to quell the unrest.

But Prince Hassan said the problem was the US-led occupation, which was provoking resistance and in turn creating a "spiral of violence".

He also said coalition forces in Iraq face a "very hot summer" and urged the UN to "shoulder its responsibilities".

'Unfinished business'

Prince Hassan said he still feared that continued unrest in the Middle East region would lead to a third World War.

"Acts of terror, genocide, two major recent wars, deaths of many thousands of all races and religions. Where does the violence stop?" he said.

"All I see is... unfinished business - Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine.

"So it is not a third World War between armies. It is something more insidious... I think it is a third world anarchy which is progressing as we speak."

The prince also said many in the Middle East compared US intervention in Iraq with Israel's actions in the Palestinian territories.

He added that more firm policies needed to be applied to the region and said the people of the Middle East needed to "stand up" and make their opinions heard.

"Nothing is impossible if we change the mindset from building war to making peace," he said.

Prince Hassan's comments come as Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is flying to Washington for talks with US President George W Bush.

Earlier in March, Prince Hassan warned that Israeli-Palestinian conflict could spread to other countries - such as Syria and Lebanon.

He said an Arab intermediary and long-term international dialogue would provide the best solutions to the crisis.


news.bbc.co.uk



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (129078)4/13/2004 12:15:05 PM
From: GST  Respond to of 281500
 
killed 600 Iraqis, wounded 1,250, half women, children and the elderly.

news.yahoo.com



To: Hawkmoon who wrote (129078)4/13/2004 5:13:22 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "Which is one of the reasons [i.e. tooth to tail ratios] I believe we're seeing more and more contractors (normally prior military) being hired to replace the support units and free up "trigger pullers"."

And it was a great idea, except it is generating a fairly nasty problem right now. Halliburton had 6 more employees lost (this time apparently by kidnapping) to the rebels, and have consequently suspended some convoys from running. I would guess that this would put a dent into our ability to carry on offensive operations, but maybe not.

Re: "But once again... Would you rather we have hundreds of thousands of them 5-10 years from now?"

If that were the choice, sure I'd prefer the thousands of casualties now. But it is only the judgement of "Hawkmoon" that says that that is the choice. Your judgement on Iraq, and various other parts of our foreign affairs has already been impeached multiple times.

Hey, if you'd been right about all those WMDs that Iraq had, or the ideas about getting the Arab states to send in troops, or about how the UN was going to stick it out, maybe someone would trust your judgement about what's going to happen after we pull out of Iraq.

It's not like the neocons are like Cassandra, forecasting doom, and being hated for it. The problem is that they forecast oodles of crap that turned out to be fantasy.

If it was the neocon plan to get us into a war in Iraq that would require a return to the draft, then they can blame themselves for not informing the US public about this before we went in. Maybe they'd have been listened to, though I doubt it.

But go back and look at the arguments before the war. People like me and Shinseki were saying that Iraq would require 20 soldiers per 1000 Iraqis as an occupation force, at least. The neocons were saying that they could conquer Iraq with what amounts to 0.4 (special forces) per 1000. The military forced them to up the size to 10 (lousy tooth to tail ratio regulars) per 1000. That size wasn't large enough to even briefly enforce order in the country, so there was wholesale looting until the Iraqis themselves began filling the power vacuum with forces now generally hostile to the US.

In other words, for people who look only to the "track record" of those counseling a solution for the Iraq problem, the neocons look inadequate.

-- Carl

P.S. Hey, Kabars don't take rounds, so we can expect the marines to fight on.