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To: Lane3 who wrote (39270)	4/13/2004 5:05:42 PM
From: Michelino	Respond to of 793914

Wait til September, this is not even the warm-up act that no-one will remember. The real meat of the campaign hasn't even gotten through the many focus groups yet. I wonder what the "real issues" our leaders on both sides of the aisles will produce for us to gnash teeth over. Or is all that junk on cable really it? I may just withhold more of my own sanctimony until I am more informed and in step. BTW, I thought your post was a very eloquent expression of frustration.

To: Lane3 who wrote (39270)	4/13/2004 5:09:31 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793914

Railing about the partisan crap from the other side under the sanctimonious guise of raising an important issue is even more crap. Agreed 100%. In the interests of advancing the argument, I am willing to concede that I do it, too, even though I shouldn't. I know that I do it, and I know that you do it. You know that I do it, and you know that you do it. I know that you know that I do it. I know that you know that I know that you do it. I know that we know that we know that we do it. Etc. How to stop it? I have no idea. Maybe develop shorthand methods of conveying recognition, including self-recognition, and cutting it short.

To: Lane3 who wrote (39270)	4/13/2004 5:47:46 PM
From: Rollcast...	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793914

under the sanctimonious guise of raising an important issue is even more crap. True, no one has the market on sanctimony cornered... Though there are some professors who appear close. BTW, did you notice that you were almost getting sanctimonious about getting sanctimonious?

To: Lane3 who wrote (39270)	4/13/2004 6:26:30 PM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793914

"Railing about the partisan crap from the other side under the sanctimonious guise of raising an important issue is even more crap." You just can't help yourself with name calling & childish behavior can you Karen? I guess seeing this for the treachery it is, is simply sanctimonious crap, eh' Karen? You seem to imply that this "partisan crap" is dolled out equally on both sides. Can you top this? "I tried to warn our nation that this proposed war in Iraq was being put forward on false premises and was a terrible mistake and would create extreme difficulties for our nation," Former Vice President Gore said.... President Bush “betrayed the country!” and “played on our fears!” "He took America on an ill-conceived foreign adventure, dangerous to our troops, that was preordained and planned before 9/11," he said..... "... And so I say to you, my fellow Americans, the truth shall rise again." Could you point me to some remotely equivolent "partisan crap" from a Republican politician? How about a few to equal these? “‘We’re going to keep pounding, let me tell you. We’re just beginning to fight here,’ Kerry said. ‘These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I’ve ever seen. It’s scary.’” Kerry has repeatedly said President Bush is "running the most arrogant, inept, reckless, ideological foreign policy in the modern history of this country." Kerry Compared President To Saddam Hussein. “‘What we need now is not just a regime change in Saddam Hussein and Iraq, but we need a regime change in the United States,’ Kerry said in a speech at the Peterborough Town Library. Despite pledging two weeks earlier to cool his criticism of the administration once war began. Kerry unleashed a barrage of criticism as US troops fought within 25 miles of Baghdad.”(‘I remember being one of those guys and reading news reports from home. If America is at war, I won’t speak a word without measuring how it’ll sound to the guys doing the fighting when they’re listening to their radios in the desert.’”) “I mean, when I voted for the war, I voted for what I thought was best for the country. ... Did I expect George Bush to f*** it up as badly as he did? I don’t think anybody did.” Kerry said. Kerry Says “Radical” Bush Administration “Trampled” On Civil Rights. “‘There is nothing conservative or traditionally Republican about this administration,’ Kerry said. ‘It is radical in the way that it has trampled on that fine line drawn between church and state and in the way it has trampled, through its attorney general, on the civil rights of Americans.’” etc., etc., etc.