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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45909)4/14/2004 7:58:56 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Dear Iqbal,

Before lying about which regimes I support in this world, it would be only polite for you to ask me for my list, instead of insanely assigning crazy suggestions to me.

When you come back to your senses, let me tell you that my favorite nation states today include the following, in no particular order and all for the same reason. Because they put the welfare of their people first, and they have kept the poison of oligarchy and corporatism at bay.

Excellent governments/systems include

Canada, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Costa Rica, Iceland, Switzerland... among others.

As you will notice, once you quit lathering at the mouth, I do not regard any system/government in the Middle East or in Eurasia to be worthy of consideration in the top tier.

In the second tier, I will include Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, the Philippines (during good administrations), perhaps Venezuela, Brazil and Ecuador. (Again, many more could be mentioned here.)

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I have zero interest in the sort of government that someone like Moqtada al-Sadr would want to impose on Iraq. His religious fundamentalism is to me just as reprehensible as Ahmed Chalabi's proposed kleptocracy. Surely it is time to set up a UN Protectorate, force George Bush out of Iraq and out of office, and return the planet to some degree of sanity.

And the worst government in the world today? Clearly it is the U.S. Bush Regime.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45909)4/14/2004 8:46:39 PM
From: Bilow  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Hi IQBAL LATIF; Re: "... for you Saddam was great democrat or Arafat another one whereas Blair is fascist ..."

Do you have a link supporting this statement? Or are you just randomly generating ad hominem attacks because of the bankruptcy of your logic?

By the way, I ran into the guy who was talking about pacifying Iraq. I asked him how he would respond to what you brought up. Here's a reminder of the conversation so far:

Bilow, April 6, 2004
I was talking to a guy here in the United States. He says that Pakistan helped put the Taliban into power in Afghanistan and still can't keep their own cities under power. He says its dangerous for a country like that to control nuclear weapons. He says that instead of waiting for Pakistan to get their act together we ought to just go in there and fix the place up for them like we're fixing up Iraq. He says that making a deal with an unelected military officer like Musharraf is like trying to deal with Stalin or Hitler.
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#reply-19996421

IQBAL LATIF, in reply
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Now, I do see Pakistan as the most important ally of US in Islamic world not otherwise and that is what I have been saying all along, and please look at the new status that USA has accorded Pakistanis that of trusted ally outside Nato.
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... but lets keep our focus clear, is Pakistan an Iraq, to be an Iraq we need conditions under which freedom of condemnation against dictator does not exist.
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#reply-19996877

I abbreviated your reply to him as [in my own words]: "I read that Pakistan has been our ally for years, and that they've got freedom of the press so they're not much like Iraq."

He says that it's not true that Pakistan is an ally of the US. He says he knows because he spent 2 years in Vietnam and he never even met a Pakistani, not that he can tell the difference that easily between them and an Indian or whatever, but he didn't see any of that type there. He said the problem with Pakistan is that they are religious nut cases with nukes, and that it has nothing to do with freedom of the press. He says that the problem with the Moslem news like Al Jazeera is not that it is not free, but instead that it is mostly lies. He says that these lies influence the youth in Moslem countries to be fanatical terrorists and that since the Moslems are "breeding like bunnies" the problem with their making new terrorists keeps getting worse. He says that the solution is to go in there and make it illegal to write things that make the people hate Americans. He says that this is where we got into trouble in Iraq, that we didn't close that newspaper right away. He says that we need to get "off our butts" and put Pakistan back into its place right away because they've got those nukes and are an imminent danger. He says that if the people in Moslem countries really knew what America is about, they'd all like us.

-- Carl



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45909)4/14/2004 10:03:01 PM
From: JEB  Respond to of 50167
 
Black and Red Terrorist Internationals
by William F. Jasper
September 14, 1998

American neo-Nazis linking up with Hamas, Hezbollah, the PLO, and other Middle Eastern terrorist groups backed by Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Libya? A lot of people seem to have a hard time imagining such a union. They wouldn’t if they were familiar with the sordid history and geo-politics of international terrorism. The Black International, a terrorist network of former World War II Nazis and Fascists and their younger proselytes, operated throughout Europe during the 1960s and ’70s, with deadly effect. And it is still alive.

United by Hatred

Now, as then, the neo-Nazis cooperate with the Red International, the network of international terrorists funded, trained, supplied, and directed by Russia, China, Cuba, North Korea, and other surrogate regimes of the communists, including a multitude of Middle Eastern terrorist organizations. A Black summit in Paris on March 28, 1970 helped launch a major drive to recruit white European youth for Yasir Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). Prominent among those present was Jean Roberts Debbaudt, an ex-SS officer who placed his Belgian Rexist Party "totally and unconditionally at the service of the Palestine Resistance." Other such conferences followed, cementing the ties between the black shirts, the PLO, the IRA, and other terrorist elements. Colonel Qaddafi of Libya provided funding, arms, training, and sanctuary. Besides having a common statist philosophy and totalitarian world view, these miscreants are united by a burning hatred for Israel, the United States, Christianity, and "bourgeois" capitalist society.

At a Black summit held at the Rome Hilton in 1974, Qaddafi sent his prime minister, Ahmed Jalloud, loaded with money bags for the noble effort. The Libyan dictator was, at the same time, helping finance the Palestinian terror network in Paris run by the Venezuelan communist Illich Ramirez Sanchez, also known as Carlos the Jackal, whose main banker — and Soviet KGB control officer — was Antonio Dages Bouvier. Earlier, in 1971, millionaire communist Giangiacomo Feltrinelli, scion of one of Italy’s wealthiest families and a founder of Italy’s murderous Red Brigades, had met secretly in Switzerland with Valerio Borghese, Italy’s "Black Prince" of the neo-Fascist terrorists, to coordinate attacks on their mutual enemies: established democratic order, Israel, and Zionism. Franco Freda, the neo-Nazi-Maoist, who was later convicted and given a life sentence for the 1969 bombing of Milan’s Bank of Agriculture, held a rally and fundraiser in Padua to honor Yasir Arafat’s terror exploits.

German neo-Nazis who were also members of the PLO included Odfried Hepp and Udo Albrecht, both of whom also worked for the Stasi, the communist secret police of the former East Germany. During the Persian Gulf War, German neo-Nazi leader Michael Kuhnen, founder of the Anti-Zionist League, negotiated an agreement to provide Saddam Hussein with 100 neo-Nazi troops. He died before he could fulfill that contract, but French neo-Nazi leader Michael Faci stepped in to recruit an unknown number of "storm troopers" to fight for Iraq.

Gary Lauck, a rabid racist from Nebraska known as the "Farm Belt Fuehrer," who was arrested and convicted in Germany for smuggling banned Nazi propaganda to neo-Nazi groups in that country, is reported to have frequent contacts with Middle Eastern terrorist groups. He also wrote a manifesto entitled "Strategy, Propaganda, and Organization," filled with Marxoid dialectical drivel and calls for the integration of militant extremist groups worldwide into a global terrorist network.

Links to the OKC Bombing

Lauck’s friend, former Oklahoma Ku Klux Klan factotum Dennis Mahon, appears to have attempted to put that plan into practice. Mahon, a frequent visitor to the Aryan Nations compound in Idaho, was also an habitue of the Aryan Nations sister community in rural eastern Oklahoma known as Elohim City. The Marxism-spouting Mahon admits to being closely associated with the Aryan Republican Army bank robbers and to admiring the IRA terrorists. He boasts of his connections to Saddam Hussein’s intelligence service and admits to having been in its pay, beginning during the Persian Gulf War, when he organized several rallies for Iraq. During an interview with a Brazilian television crew, Mahon unrolled and proudly held up a poster of Yasir Arafat, reportedly one of his heroes.

Mahon also admits his close friendship with German soldier Andreas Strassmeir, whom Tim McVeigh telephoned at Elohim City before the Oklahoma City bombing. It is Mahon and Strassmeir who Carol Howe, the "key" informant for the FBI and ATF at Elohim City, insists are the prime suspects in the OKC bombing. Strassmeir, who was living in the U.S. illegally, was spirited out of the U.S. through Mexico several months after the bombing by attorney Kirk Lyons, a legal activist for racists and militant national socialists. On July 13, 1997 the Dublin Sunday Times reported that Strassmeir had moved to Dublin and was associating with Sinn Fein, the political arm of the IRA. Earlier, informant Carol Howe had reported that Strassmeir had received detonators for the OKC explosive charges from his IRA blasting buddies. Completely independent of Howe, federal informant Cary Gagan had stated (in July of 1995) that he had met in Mexico City with his Middle Eastern bombing co-conspirators — and a "former" member of the IRA who was providing expertise and detonators for the planned bombing operations in the U.S.

thenewamerican.com