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To: stockman_scott who wrote (42751)	4/15/2004 12:13:28 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 89467

XYMPHORA: Barbeque Anyone? ,Iraq is crawling with juicy potential hostages. xymphora.blogspot.com Wednesday, April 14, 2004 As a result of the American massacre in Falluja, there are so many dead that the survivors have had to resort to burial in mass graves. I guess we won't be hearing any more from the American propaganda machine about the evils of Saddam's mass graves (just as Bush can no longer campaign on 9-11 when it is so apparent that his inadvertence - or worse - allowed it to happen). Americans can apparently put up with an infinite amount of evil produced by their own military, and have a surprisingly large tolerance for deaths of their own soldiers, but there is one thing they will not put up with. Hostages. The cease-fire in Falluja, which really wasn't a cease-fire but did represent a reduction in the American rate of slaughter, was as a result of as little as one American hostage. Bremer claims he won't be forced to negotiate due to hostage taking, but he is doing just that. Carter's misadventures in Iran and Reagan's misadventures in Lebanon were caused by worries over American hostages. For some reason, hostages drive Americans crazy. Iraqis are in a particularly fortunate situation as Rumsfeld's privatization of the American army (the privatization is becoming the Achilles heel of the American military), together with the mass of parasites from companies like Halliburton who arrived to steal all they could carry, mean that Iraq is crawling with juicy potential hostages. Just imagine the disgusting American media interviewing the tearful family members of some carpetbagger caught with his hand in the cookie jar and now threatened with becoming a living charcoal briquette. The Iraqis now realize that if they want to rid their country of evil they must start picking up hostages, dozens or even hundreds of them, preferably American. Bush's claims that he will not be moved will fall apart as soon as his poll results start to fall apart.

To: stockman_scott who wrote (42751)	4/15/2004 9:30:02 AM
From: Kip518	Respond to of 89467

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To: stockman_scott who wrote (42751)	4/15/2004 12:32:42 PM
From: Skywatcher	Respond to of 89467

Apr 14, 2004 BUSH SPEECH Freedom wasn't easy for us either. This is DR... The President pointed out last night that despite the bad news from Iraq, you have to remember our own history: Audio And the President is right. Freedom wasn't easy for us. The first national election in America didn't take place until a year and a half after the Constitution was written. The Constitution itself took four years from the time the war ended. And the war itself -- took six years from the first shot until the Americans and the French finally surrounded Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown. It involved all the things we see in the present war in Iraq. There were ambushes. Raids. Terrorism. Collateral damage. But the overarching theme of the American Revolution, the story line that every school child is taught, is that it began when a rag tag army of Minutemen went up against the well-equipped and highly-disciplined British Redcoats. And therein lies the danger in this comparison. In the current fighting in Iraq, who are the Minutemen, and who are the Redcoats? The British wanted to hang on to America for her wealth, but the colonists saw themselves being sucked dry, and rebelled. They were poorly trained, but they made up for it by using guerilla tactics. And they had the commitment that comes when you're fighting for your home and your honor. All I'm asking is -- let's not become the Redcoats, OK? I will say there is ONE reassuring thing about the analogy: 229 years later, we and the British are best of friends. CC

To: stockman_scott who wrote (42751)	4/15/2004 12:33:49 PM
From: Skywatcher	Respond to of 89467

Dave Ross is actually THERE Apr 12, 2004 ESCAPE FROM BAGHDAD Escape from Baghdad. This is DR ...today from Amman Jordan. When the Arabic stations started showing the mass graves in Falluja and comparing them to Saddam's MASS GRAVES, I realized that whoever saves that country, it won't be us. Here we've sent a clear message: let us help you, or we'll have to kill you. Yet they remain resolutely ungrateful. It was a good time to leave Baghdad. Not that they make it easy. The road to the Airport these days is like a Super Mario game. Drive as fast as possible down the middle of the road to avoid bombs set by the bad guys. Then drive very slowly to the checkpoint to avoid being shot by the good guys. Then get on the plane... sit on the tarmac 40 minutes, trying not to think... until finally we're cleared for takeoff that pilot spirals that plane skyward like a drowning man desperate for air. This is not to say General Kimmitt is lying when he says that most of Iraq remains calm. Of course most of Iraq remains calm. Because most of Iraq is uninhabited desert. But Baghdad marches to a drumbeat of explosions that the Coalition can do nothing about -- except refuse to confirm them, which is why you hear nothing about the mortars that hit the Green Zone every day. By the way, I want to thank the rebels who lobbed four of them at the riverbank across from my hotel Sunday morning at 5:30 a.m. I wasn't even tempted to sleep in. I guess you left your weapons on the snooze setting. CC