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To: lurqer who wrote (42791)	4/15/2004 4:57:06 PM
From: Poet	Respond to of 89467

Hi lurqer, I was just about to respond to Suma's post containing the text of Bin Laden's recent tape and see that you already gave a response with with I generally agree. To me this is the 'nut' of the text: We pledge to God that we will punish America for him, God willing. Your point about religious fanatics on both sides playing into each other's hands is well-taken.

To: lurqer who wrote (42791)	4/15/2004 4:57:17 PM
From: Suma	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

Your opinion and insights are always appreciated. I cannot take exception with what you say but I wonder,speculate as it were as to whether,after 9/11 there could have been any appeasement. When we had the favor of the world would it not have been prudent to go to the U.N for condemnation of OBL and at the same time mediate with the Arab world to oppose this fanatic and his interpretation of the Koran.. Do you think we might have gained by some diplomacy instead of a rush to war ? I equivocate on this because it seems that for every action there has to be an equal opposite reaction and right now I believe that nothing has been accomplished to ensure our safety as a people, YOu know the saying, one Arab says to another, remember that man who offended me once? Yes, replies the other, 20 year ago ? Yes, well I just killed him. Why did you wait so long was the reply. Am I coming from being scared that we never will have peace now and that terrorism will be with us for decades.. or more. NO one ever spoke of appeasement, diplomacy, condemnation but emerging from that to something more constructive than what we have now. So many lost lives. So many more to go and to me so futile. JUST IMHO... Thank you for giving me more insight into madrassa,Wahhabism how did you ever learn all of the things you know ? Amazing and why I find your posts the most interesting and enlightening.

To: lurqer who wrote (42791)	4/15/2004 4:58:35 PM
From: T L Comiskey	Respond to of 89467

"As above...so Below"............... Expert warns California to brace for big quake by September LOS ANGELES (AFP) - A US geophysicist has set the scientific world ablaze by claiming to have cracked a holy grail: accurate earthquake prediction, and warning that a big one will soon hit southern California. Russian-born University of California at Los Angeles professor Vladimir Keilis-Borok says he can foresee major quakes by tracking minor temblors and historical patterns in seismic hotspots that could indicate more violent shaking is on the way. And he has made a chilling prediction that a quake measuring at least 6.4 magnitude on the Richter scale will hit a 31,200-square-kilometer (12,000-square-mile) area of southern California by September 5. The team at UCLA's Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics accurately predicted a 6.5-magnitude quake in central California last December as well as an 8.1-magnitude temblor that struck the Japanese island of Hokkaido in September. "Earthquake prediction is called the Holy Grail of earthquake science, and has been considered impossible by many scientists," said Keilis-Borok, 82. "It is not impossible. "We have made a major breakthrough, discovering the possibility of making predictions months ahead of time, instead of years, as in previously known methods." If accurate, the prediction method would be critical in an area like California, which is criss-crossed by fault lines that have spawned devastating quakes over the years including ones which ravaged San Francisco in 1989 and Los Angeles in 1994. That has given credence to his research, which was endorsed by a state panel, the California Earthquake Prediction Evaluation Council, earlier this month. "Even two years back it was practically a dirty word to say earthquake prediction," said Nancy Sauer, an organiser of the annual conference of the Seismological Society of America which began Wednesday in Palm Springs. The UCLA team -- made up of US, Japanese, Canadian, European and Russian experts in pattern recognition, geodynamics, seismology, chaos theory, statistical physics and public safety -- says it has developed algorithms to detect earthquake patterns. The experts predicted in June an earthquake measuring 6.4 or higher would strike within nine months in a 496-kilometer (310-mile) region of central California, including San Simeon, where a 6.5-magnitude temblor struck December 22, killing two people. In July, they said they predicted a magnitude 7.0 or higher quake in a region that included Hokkaido by December 28. The September 25 quake fell within that period. Now they predict a major quake will hit an area that stretches across desert regions to the east of Los Angeles, home to around nine million people, including the Mojave desert and the resort town of Palm Springs, which lies near the notorious San Andreas fault. That is where experts began gathering for the Seismological Society of America conference that looks sure to be dominated by passionate discussion of Keilis-Borok's prediction method. "There is something going on," Sauer told the Desert Sun newspaper in Palm Springs. "People are at least willing to entertain the idea. It is not seen so much as junk science now." Another seismic expert, University of Oregon professor Ray Weldon, was scheduled to present findings to the conference that appear to support Keilis-Borok's research by saying the San Andreas fault is about to enter a new and violent period of shaking. The data, according to the Desert Sun, was gathered over 18 years around the famed fault, showing it is under high levels of stress. "You could consider that support (for Keilis-Borok's research)," Weldon was quoted as saying. "But I dont lend any insight or support to a window of time." But researchers still point to the fact that the science of earthquake prediction has been notoriously inaccurate and the geographic area targeted by the UCLA team for an imminent quake is very large. "It is not specific," said Susan Hough, a seismologist for the US Geological Survey based in Pasadena, near Los Angeles. "Theyve made three predictions and two of them have been borne out." Keilis-Borok himself acknowledged the caution expressed by some of his colleagues. "Application of non-linear dynamics and chaos theory is often counter-intuitive, so acceptance by some research teams will take time." But if his latest prediction that the earth will move in the area around Los Angeles within the next five months proves accurate, his research could end up saving lives and transforming seismology.