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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (3960)4/18/2004 7:55:11 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum  Respond to of 37500
 
People stealing shopping carts... costs me money...
BTW.. Went out to a new spot with the doggie today.. (an extremely energetic Blue Heeler). Anyway a great off leash park on the U of T Scarborough campus and Morningside park, one of numerous Toronto Greenbelts following one of numerous small rivers, streams and creeks to Lake Ontario. Great for socializing the doggie.

Anyway I wanted to get the topside perspective from the road / bridge covering that section which was new to me. Found the wrong bridge first on Lawrence Ave right beside a couple of mega lower rent housing blocks. Sad to say the ravine and river contained therein were loaded with literally hundreds of dumped shopping carts... along with other jettisoned crap... Now of course this occurs all along the rivers and streams but is rather sporadic normally and not of much concern... here though it was another testament to many things wrong with people and wrong with jamming people into these 'low rent' districts... Just my 2 cents...



To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (3960)4/19/2004 3:03:17 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 37500
 
<unless our neighbours elect the wrong 45%>

It seems on major factor for UK to reform to a basic multi-party system, with three
major parties, is to be able to function (politically and in practice) within EU.

That is, EU already has a fairly well defined m-party system, extreme left and right, regular
right and left and even a little center. (plus greens,etc)

Trying to function within that system is almost impossible with only two major domestic parties.

Looking at it the other way, it is difficult to ones domestic two major parties cooperating with both
the extreme lefts and rights of other member states, plus the more center-based.

That is, any Canadian debate on how Canadian connections to UK will work with the new
party-structure in UK??

What about Canadian connections to

- US, strict 2-party system
- Mexico, already a PR-multiparty system.

However, two of the most important reasons for UK reforming their system was (maybe)

1. voter frustration (with the winner-takes-all, FPTP two-party system)

2. This fairly simple example

two parties, A and B, trying to keep their extremes happy

- A wants solution AA which B cannot agree on (like doubling their taxes)
- B wants solution BB which A cannot agree on (like doing the same to them)

introducing the (centrist, moderate, common sense) third party:

-C proposes CC wich a majority of A, B and C thinks is fairly great

Result:

- Both A and B soon need to start adopting enough common sense, both
produce their own independent extreme-parties (which they still need every
now and then but now their debate is out in the open)

- if one gets frustrated on both A,B and C, it is easy to vote for the extreme ones

That is, the systems "breaths" and "adapts"