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To: frankw1900 who wrote (40025)4/18/2004 11:55:07 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793972
 
Kerry Twists on Meet the Press
By Captain Ed - Captains Quarters

John Kerry, appearing on Meet the Press today, was forced to answer questions about an appearance he made over thirty years ago on the same show, as Tim Russert played a much-requested clip from April 18, 1971:

MR. RUSSERT: Before we take a break, I want to talk about Vietnam. You are a decorated war hero of Vietnam, prominently used in your advertising. You first appeared on MEET THE PRESS back in 1971, your first appearance. I want to roll what you told the country then and come back and talk about it:
(Videotape, MEET THE PRESS, April 18, 1971):

MR. KERRY (Vietnam Veterans Against the War): There are all kinds of atrocities and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free-fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50-caliber machine guns which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search-and-destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare. All of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free-fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT: You committed atrocities.

SEN. KERRY: Where did all that dark hair go, Tim? That's a big question for me. You know, I thought a lot, for a long time, about that period of time, the things we said, and I think the word is a bad word. I think it's an inappropriate word. I mean, if you wanted to ask me have you ever made mistakes in your life, sure. I think some of the language that I used was a language that reflected an anger. It was honest, but it was in anger, it was a little bit excessive.

MR. RUSSERT: You used the word "war criminals."

SEN. KERRY: Well, let me just finish. Let me must finish. It was, I think, a reflection of the kind of times we found ourselves in and I don't like it when I hear it today. I don't like it, but I want you to notice that at the end, I wasn't talking about the soldiers and the soldiers' blame, and my great regret is, I hope no soldier--I mean, I think some soldiers were angry at me for that, and I understand that and I regret that, because I love them. But the words were honest but on the other hand, they were a little bit over the top. And I think that there were breaches of the Geneva Conventions. There were policies in place that were not acceptable according to the laws of warfare, and everybody knows that. I mean, books have chronicled that, so I'm not going to walk away from that. But I wish I had found a way to say it in a less abrasive way.

MR. RUSSERT: But, Senator, when you testified before the Senate, you talked about some of the hearings you had observed at the winter soldiers meeting and you said that people had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and on and on. A lot of those stories have been discredited, and in hindsight was your testimony...

SEN. KERRY: Actually, a lot of them have been documented.

MR. RUSSERT: So you stand by that?

SEN. KERRY: A lot of those stories have been documented. Have some been discredited? Sure, they have, Tim. The problem is that's not where the focus should have been. And, you know, when you're angry about something and you're young, you know, you're perfectly capable of not--I mean, if I had the kind of experience and time behind me that I have today, I'd have framed some of that differently. Needless to say, I'm proud that I stood up. I don't want anybody to think twice about it. I'm proud that I took the position that I took to oppose it. I think we saved lives, and I'm proud that I stood up at a time when it was important to stand up, but I'm not going to quibble, you know, 35 years later that I might not have phrased things more artfully at times.

Reading this make me think that Kerry is trying out a new dance, the Kerry Twist. Note that the first thing Kerry does after listening to the clip is to make a joke about his hair. Ha ha, it was so long ago, who knows where the time went? And then Kerry goes into a series of non-apologies:

It was honest, but it was in anger, it was a little bit excessive.
I want you to notice that at the end, I wasn't talking about the soldiers...

I think some soldiers were angry at me for that, and I understand that and I regret that, because I love them.

I'm not going to quibble, you know, 35 years later that I might not have phrased things more artfully at times.

Not once does John Kerry say, I was wrong. I listened to people who had bad information and I repeated it without checking it out for myself. I said things I shouldn't have said. To this day, he continues to insist that atrocities were the order of the day instead of the exception, even though that has only been true in Hollywood movies.



To: frankw1900 who wrote (40025)4/20/2004 12:38:28 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell  Respond to of 793972
 
Hasn't it been obvious for some years now that large numbers of Palestinians don't support PA or Hamas, or other gangster movements ?

Absolutely and I've read a number of interviews in the press, particularly in the French press on this.

But to get inside info on the leader's inner circles, that's where I think paying big bucks to get someone to crack will be worthwhile. The average Palestinian is almost certainly not privy to planned terrorist attacks. I would think it would be worth a lot of money for Israel to be able to selectively take out the masterminds behind the terrorist attacks they have been suffering, the people "who know everybody" and can get things done, and do it with a minimum of any innocent bystanders being hurt or killed. And to do it in a way that casts doubts on how airtight the inner circles really are would be a psychological blow to these organizations as well.