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To: E. T. who wrote (9322)	4/19/2004 11:15:31 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 20773

a natural outcome of terrorism is oppression Let's say the "kneejerk reaction". It doesn't work, though. Oppressed people tend to resort to more terrorism for revenge, rather becoming docile. Besides, would you not agree that the occupation came before the terrorism? And that occupation, in itself, is oppression? The Palestinian people suffer now because that is what their leaders desire. Regardless of what their leaders desire, Palestinians suffer now because of the Israeli occupation, which is made possible by unconditional US support. Israel tried to negotiate "land for peace" but that was unacceptable to the PA leadership So if one plan is unacceptable, you should not try to see why it is unacceptable and work on a more acceptable one? In fact, is it not true that there was a recent Geneva Accord where informal representatives from both sides agreed on a plan, to serve as a blueprint for another road map? The Palestinian negotiators there had Arafat's blessing. Sharon didn't seem too thrilled by the idea, though, and called the initiative "irresponsible" and completely dissed it. Can you explain to me why, in a way that is consistent with your theory that Israel wants peace and all that?

To: E. T. who wrote (9322)	4/20/2004 5:34:06 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

Re: The Palestinian people suffer now because that is what their leaders desire. Quit lying. It's very unattractive, and makes you lose all credibility. Re: Israel tried to negotiate "land for peace" but that was unacceptable to the PA leadership. Now Israel is moving forward unilaterally, ... how is Israel to be faulted for that? The same as before. Israel tried to pull a sneaky last-minute maneuver at the negotiations when "land for peace" was being discussed. Basically, it was a cram-down offer that the Palestinian leadership had every right to refuse. Israel was acting as an aggressive bully then, and even more so now. Israel is the illegal bully and thief in this tragic negotiation for the future of the Middle East. Israel is the morally reprehensible party. Israel is the criminally insane party.