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To: TimF who wrote (6769)	4/19/2004 11:52:18 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 15987

Are you saying that my logic or my real criticism is irrelevant, or that the logic of the criticism of the hypothetical situation was irrelevant, or that the hypothetical situation itself was irrelevant (and if so irrelevant to what?)?) Not at all.. and my comments were an academic exercise, not a personal attack. All I was stating is that there are infinite ways for someone to criticize another's views. They can be logical, or illogical, pertinent, or irrelevant. You stated that you couldn't understand my statement, so I presented you an example of both an illogical and irrelevant criticism of your inability to comprehend. Certainly nothing personal.. Just that, in general, it's far easier for people to always find fault with other people's ideas, while not presenting alternatives, or If we are to take a proposal like yours seriously (and I did even though I disagreed with it), we have to analyze questions like "Will it really bring peace and stability to the region"? And such questions still need to be answered before going forward with an idea like what you posted even if no really good idea comes along to replace it. All good questions. And I invited criticisms that would bring forth flaws in that proposal, as well as welcoming alternatives. And my proposal is based upon the premise that we're stuck in an impasse between Israel and Palestine, with intransigence reigning on both sides. And impasses are, by their nature, neither long-lasting, nor solutions. Because when an impasse breaks, it is generally unpredictable and often uncontrollable. If the goal is a viable peace between Palestinians and Israelis, and if the international community have an interest in achieving a peace that not seen as a victory for either side, but an actual peace reconciliation that leads to greater stability in the region, then that peace process must be managed to insure the results are within the desired parameters. I was merely asserting that events throughout the region seem to be spinning out of control and feeding the propaganda of our enemies, the Islamic militants. This makes our job in Iraq, and the rest of the reason, far more difficult. We have a VESTED INTEREST in decreasing the appeal of Islamic militancy, not permitted Israeli or Palestinian extremists to fan its flames. But Nadine has asserted that, somehow, that nothing can be done to create such a peace and that we should just follow Israel's lead because they obviously have both their own, and the rest of the world's interests at heart. You see.. we can trust Sharon and the Likudists to make sure that they NEVER compromise US interests. That they never place their own personal political aspirations over the interests of the US. That the US, by Jehovah, should always be willing to advance Israel's interests, while ignoring the threat from the cultural advance of Islamic militancy. Nadine really shown no interest in trying to foster moderation and modernization in the Mid-East. I've never seen her criticize any policy enacted by Israel. They are always right and their interests obviously dovetail with those of the US. And those nasty Arabs will never be willing to make peace with Israel, and they whole region is already on a one-way path towards Islamic militancy. But I see things a bit differently.. I would like to think that the complete radicalization of the mid-east behind various theocratic Muslim despots, or terrorist leaders, is neither inevitable, nor undeterrable. But it requires that we maintain our interests as honest broker to the concerns of ALL OF THE PEOPLE in the region, not just the Israelis. After all, Israel is already a democracy. We have MORE of an interest in creating democracy in the muslim world, not undermining it by siding with extremist Israeli special interests. Hawk