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To: TimF who wrote (186850)	4/21/2004 1:26:13 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575767

What evidence do you have? Your the one who said that there was absolutely no question that they have gained strength. That type of statement requires a lot more evidence then my statement "There is very much a question. In fact I think they have lost strength." I am expressing opinion and uncertainty. Strictly speaking that requires no evidence but I'll give you some anyway. You are making a statement of certainty beyond what is required for a criminal conviction (which only requires no reasonable doubt not that there is absolutely no question). I evidenced my statement by the number of bombing incidents in the last two years. You felt that that was inadequate proof, and contrarily insisted, they they had gotten weaker. Clearly, you weren't going to agree with me so I asked you what led you to your conclusion.......what was the argument that supported your position. The evidence that I have is that thousands of them have been killed or captured, and that they have no safe haven anymore. What thousands? A few of their leaders have been killed. Sure they can operate in small dispersed groups in secret but it was easier for them when they could concentrate and train with impunity in Afghanistan. As far as I can tell, the only thing that's hindered is their training.......they had a training center in Afghanistan. The fact that they are cells insures their mobility. Also some of there source of money have been stopped or decreased. There is very little evidence of that. We have frozen some accounts but the program to do that is flailing badly. I don't think we can ever choke it off completely or even close to completely but ever decrease is a positive step. Again, I take the number of incidents as evidence of al Qaeda's strength. There were few events after 9/11 but now there are al Qaeda related incidents about once every 3-4 months. I think you are deceiving yourself that they are weakened. And most experts in the field don't agree with you either. They think al Qaeda has become more decentralized and less dependent on OBL for direction and financing. ted