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Politics : Canadian Political Free-for-All -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Michael Watkins who wrote (4013)	4/20/2004 11:36:52 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 37247

<portray yourself as clueful> Well, there are FPTP and PR basics, and then there are what follows after those basics. A handful of key words, at a minimum. <In the end, it doesn't matter> At the present, that is what is happening. Much of last century was about voting rights, the earlier one was about colonialism, and now it is the century of what is called "center-based-consensus-multi-party-proportional-systems" <PR fan? FPTP fan?> Well, the next step is usually the question of Party-List-Fan?? < for you've missed the point (again).> Who is missing this century?? < If people can be sold on real advantages, instead of your brand of sanctimony, they will vote for change.> Smart people in the 1700s, that thing about turning on the light, informed voters, without getting into to the basic math of voting systems. <The massive irony is that a FPTP elected government will necessarily, in our case, be the gatekeeper or enabler of such change - if indeed its worth making such changes.> Yes, seems to be a really massive irony. For US, very understandable. For UK, banned. <My original point remains - no change happens unless people are willing to work for it. > many say that it additionally needs either huge crises, or just some leaders. others say that a FPTP system is a true catch-22 system, but first it was the need to solve the UK-NI dilemma, and now all of UK. Canada might just be understanding some parts of it, or not. (you got, just to start, all these french wrong talking) Ilmarinen You are not very familiar with the FPTP nor PR issues, no?? Why do I make those jokes about party lists?? any explanations, no?? I'm actually really sure lots of Canadians have worked hard on all of these issues, the interesting thing is how it has been presented for the public, through the media.