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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mark_H who wrote (16826)	4/21/2004 11:53:35 AM
From: zonkie	Respond to of 81568

LTJG Kerry was aligned to this division for only a short time but during that time exhibited all of the traits desired of an officer in a combat environment. He frequently exhibited a high sense of imagination and judgment in planning operations against the enemy in the Mekong Delta. Involved in several enemy initiated fire fights, including an ambush during the Christmas truce, he effectively suppressed enemy fire and is unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action. Though relatively new to the PCF he is thoroughly knowledgeable of all aspects of his boat and PCF operations. He was instrumental in planning of highly successful Sea Lords Operations. He was cited for his performance during action against the enemy by Commander Task Force in his message 080807Z JAN 69.

To: Mark_H who wrote (16826)	4/21/2004 12:06:05 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 81568

No, Kerry apologized for some of the words because they were hurtful, not wrong. Also, if the Bushie war hero won two Bronze Stars that's very noble, but he has no busines calling Kerry "no hero". That just demeans himself. Kerry would never insult a fellow war hero like that. It's just un-American and dishonest. What makes O'Neils heroics better than JK's? This is clearly just an angry partisan making up insults and deliberately distorting what JK said and meant.

To: Mark_H who wrote (16826)	4/21/2004 1:32:30 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

Because they were wrong? Are you serious? Have your read any comprehensive accounts of the Vietnam War? Do you understand how, over time, the place deteriorated into a killing ground for civilians as well as the enemy? Hey I've seen the "ears." I've talked to men that killed, deliberately, women and children. Our army's brass "encouraged" S. Vietnamese to relocate by freeing up air strikes, artillery and My Lai like episodes that targeted civilian population. We DID torture POWs in order to get information. Hey, that's what happens in a war, you need to just grow up and recognize that we do it and so do they. Kerry can apologize for the pain his revelations caused and that's fine. The fact is that he never said all of us who served did those things; he simply said they were occurring throughout Vietnam, and he was absolutely correct. Talk to someone that was there in 68-69-70, AND WHO WAS DOING THE ACTUAL FIGHTING. I get tired of these people that were safely tucked in air bases or an ships or in the rear who have so much to say about this. Talk to someone that was getting shot up, seeing their buddies feet sticking out of their ponchos while the heat swelled their dead bodies and walking with their fingers on the triggers on full automatic all day. Ask them how they felt about the "civilians" that were supporting the people that were killing us. Ask them what kind of "rules" they followed. The thing you folks who get so righteous about Kerry's "atrocities" statements from the 70's never want to talk about is; WERE KERRY'S STATEMENTS ACCURATE? You just don't want to talk about that, do you? You try to nitpick everything he said but the TRUTH is that the picture he portrayed of a war gone wrong and out of control where the war was against the majority of the Vietnamese people, not for them, was absolutely correct. If you'd been there, if you'd talked to the 5-10% of the soldiers there that were doing the fighting, if you'd seen the hooded, hostile looks on the S. Vietnamese that were supposedly working for us and with us, if you'd seen the looks on the faces of the GIs when they looked back, you'd choke on your words when you say Kerry was wrong. It was a worthless, corrupt war; it demeaned our country, and it was all a waste of brave, young and patriotic American soldiers. Bush and Cheney were right in refusing to fight there. Kerry was naive to volunteer. I was stupid to go. A pox on those that sent us and a curse on those that can't learn the lessons of Vietnam. Have you sent a child to Iraq? Have you thought about what you'll say 10 years from now when you're asked what we accomplished in that brutal, Islamically controlled and chaotic nation that justified sending our soldiers to die there? "It seemed like a good idea when I listened to the rosy estimates of the Wolfowitz neocons" is not an excuse for blind stupidity.

To: Mark_H who wrote (16826)	4/25/2004 2:37:13 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 81568

Mr. O'Neill was awarded two Bronze Stars. The military rewards people who kill. Tom

To: Mark_H who wrote (16826)	4/25/2004 3:00:29 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

Mark, Re: Why has Kerry apologized for "some" of the words he used in the 1971 speech? Answer: Because they were wrong, ie., lies You are flat out wrong. Kerry is attempting to mollify the stupid middle of the American electorate who couldn't tell their proverbial a$$ from a Vietnamese or Iraqi hole in the ground. Only it is much worse than he suggests. The U.S. brasshats were not only engaged in creating killing grounds for innocent people in Vietnam at the time (for fun and profit!), but surreptitiously, the U.S. Army and Air Force was in Cambodia and Laos, and the cuckolded media utterly failed to tell the American public the truth about their betrayal by the so-called "leaders" of this country who are nothing more than blood-thirsty, scheming, war profiteering louts. America's leaders are again failing the American people. They are betraying us with hundreds of lies, picking our pockets and filling those of mercenaries who are creating hatred among the next generation of Islamic youth who want nothing more than to emulate the American lifestyle, yet see that the only portion of America they are "entitled" to is raw end of our munitions industry's lust for outsized profits. Everything that cyndrwllr tells you about the ugliness of war is correct. But this sterile medium cannot convey the horror of war. Go dip yourself in a rendering vat at your local stockyards and get a sense of the reality of what a Christian fascist like George Bush is immorally imposing on this world so that his fat a$$ed buddies can get rich. The leadership of this nation is sick.... mentally sick, emotionally sick and morally bankrupt. Today, 1,000,000+ women marched on Washington with the demand to prevent a hypocrite like George Bush taking away our free will here in the U.S. while he makes phony promises about bringing freedom to the women of Iraq. Wake up and smell the coffee. We live in a country that is being betrayed and destroyed by militarism and self-dealing hypocrites attempting to shove their archaic superstitions down the public's throats. We will fight back. We will not allow ourselves to become the captives of Christian fascism. END WAR NOW!