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To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (567674)4/22/2004 10:05:18 AM
From: CYBERKEN  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
The unreliable and naturally-defective troops in any war get quickly killed off and the remainder become a reliable army.

It's true of draftees. And it's true of the new Iraqi army...



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (567674)4/22/2004 10:25:38 AM
From: JakeStraw  Respond to of 769670
 
Clinton Admin. Linked OBL to Somalia Attack Before Sudan Offer

Thursday, Apr. 22, 2004 10:25 AM EDT

When the Clinton administration decided to turn down Sudan's offer to have Osama bin Laden arrested and extradited to the U.S., it already knew that the notorious 9/11 mastermind was behind the Black Hawk Down attack in Somalia in 1993, an upcoming 9/11 Commission witness is prepared to testify.

According to Mansoor Ijaz, who served as a diplomatic troubleshooter for President Clinton in the late 1990s, bin Laden was offered by Sudanese Defense Minister Elfatih Erwa during a meeting with the CIA's Africa Bureau chief in a Virginia hotel room in March 1996.

Instead of accepting the offer, however, Clinton officials pressed Sudan to expel bin Laden to any country other than Somalia, Ijaz told WDAY North Dakota radio host Scott Hennen on Wednesday.

"[The Clinton administration] did not want him to go to Somalia because, guess what - they knew that bin Laden was behind the attacks against our helicopter pilot in Black Hawk Down in Somalia in 1993," he explained.

"Wait and see what hell I raise about that in the testimony that I give," said Ijaz, who is scheduled to appear before the 9/11 Commission on May 7.

According to Ijaz, Erwa told the CIA case officer, "If [the U.S.] has any legal basis, any indictment, anything that you can show us that you're prepared to try bin Laden on American soil, we will hand him over to you."

But the Sudanese offer was met with "dead silence" from the CIA case officer, Ijaz contends. "Literally, that offer was left on the dining table in that Alexandria hotel room," he lamented.

In Feb. 2002, ex-President Clinton admitted that he knew about the Sudanese offer, and personally decided to turn it down, telling a New York business group, "At the time, 1996, [bin Laden] had committed no crimes against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him."

Ijaz's account, however, would contradict Clinton's claim that bin Laden had committed "no crimes against America" before 1996.

The one-time Clinton administration troubleshooter accused former Attorney General Janet Reno of blocking an investigation that could have provided a legal basis to accept the Sudanese offer, telling radio host Hennen, "It was the Reno Justice Department that refused over and over and over again to have a grand jury sit and determine whether an indictment [of bin Laden] could be made."

Ijaz said his upcoming testimony would also expose dissembling on the part of former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger.

"I'm going to see to it that Mr. Berger answers questions about what it is that he did," he warned. "We have a lot more that's going to come out. And I'm not ever going to let him get away with thinking that he can tell the American people that they did all that they could, when we know that is not the case."

The Pakistani-American businessman says he has records that will show "exactly what happened, precisely who said what to whom, how it was said, in what context it was said, in which emotional state it was said, and then we'll find out what the truth is."

Ijaz said he will demand to testify in public after first meeting with the 9/11 Commission privately, telling Hennen, "And if they don't let me testify publicly, I will put all this on the public record in another way, because they cannot stop this information from getting out."



To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (567674)4/22/2004 11:45:29 AM
From: Thomas A Watson  Respond to of 769670
 
Dear lying and libeling Kenneth E. Phillipps, how about some reality.
Thursday, Apr. 22, 2004 11 a.m. EDT

Falluja: A View from the Inside

The Falluja you see on TV night after night is not the real Falluja, according to an Army chaplain now serving in Iraq.

In a letter in the current Weekly Intelligence Notes published by the Association of Former Intelligence Officers, the writer asks why this troubled city is on the news every night. His answer: "Because it is one of the few places in all of Iraq where trouble exists."

He goes on to note that while Iraq has 25 million people and is the size of California, Falluja and surrounding towns total just 500,000 people. "Do the math: that's not a big percentage of Iraq. How many people were murdered last night in L.A.? Did it make headline news? Why not?"

According to the writer, the Coalition isn't alone in having trouble with Falluja. Saddam, he says "could not and did not control Falluja."

Instead, Saddam "bought off those he could, killed those he couldn't and played all leaders against one another. It was and is a 'difficult' town. Nothing new about that.

"What is new is that outside people have come in to stir up unrest. How many are there is classified, but let me tell you this: there are more people in the northeast Minneapolis gangs than there are causing havoc in Falluja. Surprised?"

In light of all this, why, he asks is Falluja getting such massive media coverage? He goes on to explain that "the major news outlets have camera crews permanently posted in Falluja."

As a result, if terrorists from outside Iraq are looking for air time to promote their cause, where would they go to terrorize, bomb, mutilate and destroy, knowing their atrocities will be broadcast around the world instantly? The answer: "Falluja."

That being the case, why does the situation seem to be getting worse?

Iraq, ruled by the socialist Ba’ath party, became a welfare state under Saddam. "If you cared about your welfare, you towed the line or died. The state did your thinking and your bidding. Want a job? Pledge allegiance to the Ba’ath party. Want an apartment, a car, etc? Show loyalty. Electricity, water, sewage, etc. was paid by the state. Go with the flow: life is good. Don't and you're dead. Now, what does that do to initiative? drive? industry?"

Thanks to this sordid history, when we came along and locked up their sugar daddy we gave the people "the toughest challenge in the world; freedom. You want a job? Earn it! A house? Buy it or build it! Security? Build a police force, army and militia and give it to yourself. Risk your lives and earn freedom.

"The good news is that millions of Iraqis are doing just that, and some pay with their lives. But many, many are struggling with freedom (just like East Germans, Russians, Czechs, etc.) and they want a sugar daddy, the U.S.A., to do it all. We refuse. We don't want to be plantation owners. We make it clear we are here to help, not own or stay. They get mad about that, sometimes."

Despite all this, the writer says in Falluja, "the supposed hotbed of dissent in Iraq, countless Iraqis tell our psy-opers they want to cooperate with us but are afraid the thugs will slit their throats or kill their kids. A bad gang can do that to a neighborhood and a town. That's what is happening here."

Adding to the problem is the military situation: the largest battle hand-off in recent American history with the Army "passing the baton to the Marines in this area.

There is uncertainty among the populace and misinformation being given out by the bad guys. As a result there is insecurity and the bad guys are testing the resolve of the Marines and indirectly you, the American people.

"The bad guys are convinced that Americans have no stomach for a long haul effort here. They want to drive us out of here and then resurrect a dictatorship of one kind or another."

He concludes by asking "what do we do?" and answers "Stay the course. The Marines will get into a battle rhythm and, along with other forces and government agencies, they will drive the thugs across the border and set the conditions for the Fallujans to join the freedom parade or rot in their lack of initiative.

"Either way, the choice will be theirs. The alternative? Turn tail, pull out and leave a power vacuum that will suck in all of Iraq's neighbors and spark a civil war that could make Rwanda look like a misdemeanor.

"Hey, America, don't go weak kneed on us: 585 dead American's made an investment here. That's a whole lot less than were killed on American highways last month. Their lives are honored when we stay the course and do the job we came to do; namely, set the conditions for a new government and empower these people to be the great nation they are capable of being."
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