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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Srexley who wrote (567968)	4/22/2004 11:35:40 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

LOL- oh yeah its really likely a flat tax would raise poor people's taxes, especially since they are already paying 15% to fica which is higher than any flat tax proposal I've seen. Fica is a highly regressive scam of a tax and any flat tax which didn't include fica would simply match fica rates at most. A 15% flat tax on all income, passive and active with no deductions for things like "house exclusion" and other BS would kill the wealthy contributors who conservatives pander to, so its a no go. BTW the entire fica burden is paid by the worker, not the employer, the fact that fica is touted as partially employer paid is a scam.

To: Srexley who wrote (567968)	4/23/2004 2:19:43 PM
From: Steve Dietrich	Respond to of 769670

<<It actually stands for Federal Insurance Contribution Act, I believe. So when you apply YOUR spin, that it is really INCOME TAX,>> You're pathologically incapable of honest debate. Here's what Fox said, "122 million Americans who live completely outside the federal tax system." That's an obvious lie. You can't argue it, so you pretend we're debating whether or not the payroll taxes are income taxes. Fox didn't say income taxes, they said "completely outside the federal tax system." That's a lie, obviously. The Federal government collects this tax, the IRS calls it the Employment Tax, the CBO and OMB count this money as part of the general revenue. It's a lie to say it's "completely outside the federal tax system." You can't defend it, you can only pretend we're talking about something else. So that's what yo do. Steve Dietrich