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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (43593)4/24/2004 12:14:44 AM
From: American Spirit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
Bushies are totally lying about Kerry. 100% lies.
That's their strategy. They figure it they spend enough money on lying TV ads enough gullible swing-voters will be confused to make the mistake of giving them a second term. If they get a second term they will really go hog wild looting the treasury, gouging consumers and assaulting the environment and civil rights.

Jujst remember, Bushies will do or say ANYTHING to win.And they will only be dragged out of power kicking, screaming, lying and cheating. They are a dangerous gang of thieves.
The Prince Bandar oil price fixing item was not only true but typical. That's the kind of thing that really goes on in private with them. They love taking our money, then lying to us and fooling people around election day.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (43593)4/25/2004 9:43:31 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
THE RICH GET RICHER, THE REST GET IRAQ

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Op/Ed By Richard Reeves
Fri Apr 23, 2004
news.yahoo.com

LOS ANGELES -- All right, here's the plan. The Bush Plan. Only the rich kids get into the good colleges, like Yale, with big federal tax cuts financing even bigger tuitions. The poor kids and middle-class kids get drafted into the military to fight preventive wars around the globe.

I exaggerate. I hope. But you could make the case that this is what is really going on in the United States today. Last Tuesday, Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a Republican who served in Vietnam, questioned Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz during a hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee about the rising costs and dangers of occupying Iraq, then concluded:

"There is not an American who doesn't understand what we are engaged in and what the prospects are for the future. ... Those who are serving today and dying today are the children of the middle and lower middle class. Why shouldn't we ask all of our citizens to bear some responsibility and pay some price?"

He went on to say that the United States is making military commitments today -- particularly a 25-year war against terrorism -- that it cannot possibly meet with today's all-volunteer military. Then he spoke the unspeakable: "We must consider a draft."

Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, the ranking Democrat on the committee, added later: "The whole notion of shared burden is something we should be talking about well beyond the issue of just the draft."

Why not indeed? Ending the draft was Richard Nixon's biggest dirty trick. He managed to pull it off in 1973 as a way to stop student demonstrations against the war in Vietnam. It worked; most students went back to studying after they did not have to face the risk of being sent out to die for the mistakes of their elders.

One result of all that was to give the White House the opportunity to plan wars in secret and execute them without the consent of the governed. War has become a spectator sport for most of us. To be more specific: If there had been a draft, we would not be in Iraq, because President Bush and his gang would have had to persuade the Congress and country that we were in grave danger from the inhabitants of that particular rats' nest.

Meanwhile, life goes on as usual at home. The rich get richer and ... we all know the rest. The New York Times confirmed it the day after Hagel spoke, under the front-page headline: "As Wealthy Fill Top Colleges, Concerns Grow Over Fairness."

The newspaper reported what any parent of a college student, me among them, already knew: People with significant money are the only Americans who can meet bills of $40,000 a year for tuition, room and board -- and the tens of thousands of dollars more for private school educations, tutoring and coaching often necessary to get into the best private and state universities.

The spreading gaps in American incomes are turning around one of the United States' greatest achievements (and investments), the democratization of the best education that began with the GI Bill after World War II. Until then, Americans knew their place. Harvard and Yale were, more or less, the places for the children of their own graduates -- and most applicants were accepted because most Americans never even thought of applying.

Then, in a new America, everyone began to think Harvard or the University of Michigan or Stanford was their place, too. Soon only one in 10 applicants were being accepted, and the schools were getting better and better because smart middle-class kids, and some smart poor ones, too, were replacing all the rich kids at Daddy's school, say, Yale. I'm not naming any names here.

Speaking of who gets in and who doesn't, which means who runs America one day, the president of Harvard, Lawrence Summers, told the Times: "It's very much an issue of fairness. An important purpose of institutions like Harvard is to give everyone a shot at the American dream."

That's the way it should be. But the tide and all the costs have begun to turn back toward the past. The percentage of students at the 250 highest-rated colleges and universities who come from families in the top quarter of incomes has risen from 46 percent in 1985 to at least 55 percent now. It is a turn that few welcome. After all, if it continues, we will forever have presidents named George Bush.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (43593)4/25/2004 9:52:43 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
The Orwellian Olsens
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By MAUREEN DOWD
OP-ED COLUMNIST
THE NEW YORK TIMES
April 25, 2004
nytimes.com

WASHINGTON - It's their reality. We just live and die in it.

In Bushworld, our troops go to war and get killed, but you never see the bodies coming home.

In Bushworld, flag-draped remains of the fallen are important to revere and show the nation, but only in political ads hawking the president's leadership against terror.

In Bushworld, we can create an exciting Iraqi democracy as long as it doesn't control its own military, pass any laws or have any power.

In Bushworld, we can win over Falluja by bulldozing it.

In Bushworld, it was worth going to war so Iraqis can express their feelings ("Down With America!") without having their tongues cut out, although we cannot yet allow them to express intemperate feelings in newspapers ("Down With America!") without shutting them down.

In Bushworld, it's fine to take $700 million that Congress provided for the war in Afghanistan and 9/11 recovery and divert it to the war in Iraq that you're insisting you're not planning.

In Bushworld, you don't consult your father, the expert in being president during a war with Iraq, but you do talk to your Higher Father, who can't talk back to warn you to get an exit strategy or chide you for using Him for political purposes.

In Bushworld, it's O.K. to run for re-election as the avenger of 9/11, even as you make secret deals with the Arab kingdom where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from.

In Bushworld, you get to strut around like a tough military guy and paint your rival as a chicken hawk, even though he's the one who won medals in combat and was praised by his superior officers for fulfilling all his obligations.

In Bushworld, it makes sense to press for transparency in Mr. and Mrs. Rival while cultivating your own opacity.

In Bushworld, you can reign as the antiterror president even after hearing an intelligence report about Al Qaeda's plans to attack America and then stepping outside to clear brush.

In Bushworld, those who dissemble about the troops and money it will take to get Iraq on its feet are patriots, while those who are honest are patronizingly marginalized.

In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq, even as they increasingly merge the two in America.

In Bushworld, you can claim to be the environmental president on Earth Day while being the industry president every other day.

In Bushworld, you brag about how well Afghanistan is going, even though soldiers like Pat Tillman are still dying and the Taliban are running freely around the border areas, hiding Osama and delaying elections.

In Bushworld, imperfect intelligence is good enough to knock over Iraq. But even better evidence that North Korea is building the weapons that Saddam could only dream about is hidden away.

In Bushworld, the C.I.A. says it can't find out whether there are W.M.D. in Iraq unless we invade on the grounds that there are W.M.D.

In Bushworld, there's no irony that so many who did so much to avoid the Vietnam draft have now strained the military so much that lawmakers are talking about bringing back the draft.

In Bushworld, we're making progress in the war on terror by fighting a war that creates terrorists.

In Bushworld, you don't need to bother asking your vice president and top Defense Department officials whether you should go to war in Iraq, because they've already maneuvered you into going to war.

In Bushworld, it's perfectly natural for the president and vice president to appear before the 9/11 commission like the Olsen twins.

In Bushworld, you expound on remaking the Middle East and spreading pro-American sentiments even as you expand anti-American sentiments by ineptly occupying Iraq and unstintingly backing Ariel Sharon on West Bank settlements.

In Bushworld, we went to war to give Iraq a democratic process, yet we disdain the democratic process that causes allies to pull out troops.

In Bushworld, you pride yourself on the fact that your administration does not leak to the press, while you flood the best-known journalist in Washington with inside information.

In Bushworld, you list Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack" as recommended reading on your campaign Web site, even though it makes you seem divorced from reality. That is, unless you live in Bushworld.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (43593)4/25/2004 11:32:11 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Some Vietnam Vets For Kerry share some insights...fyi...
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Posted: Mar 6 2004, 08:27 PM
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 753
Member No.: 1982
Joined: 28-January 04

Well Major, I finally stumbled in here. Reminds me of how long it took me to stumble into the local VFW once I got back to the world. And, what's the last thing I read? ---------

"If the veterans of Vietnam, as they quietly file into the hall of American politics, help eject the politics of oversimplification from the room once and for all, they won't just be helping us get over Vietnam. They'll be making us better and wiser than we were before Vietnam. And thus, once again, they will be doing their country a greater service than any others of their generation ever have, or ever will."

That's exactly how I feel. We never satisfy our duty to this country, we just get blessed too live long enough to keep loving her, fighting for her, believing in her.

I've got a good feeling about this man.........both my good ones and bad ones were usually right.......I guess that's why I'm here.

Thanks for being here too.
No retreat, no surrender.

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KERRY'S TIGERS, LOUSIANA BRIGADE

~TOM~ Posted: Mar 6 2004, 11:46 PM

Advanced Member

Group: Members
Posts: 282
Member No.: 5255
Joined: 11-February 04

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I was awarded my CIB in 1970 in Chu Lai from the 196th Light Infantry Brigade HQ, I recovered my dignity with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in Miami Beach in the summer of 1972.

I was never a card-carrying member of VVAW, but in that camp in Flamingo Park I saw some very quiet, very patriotic Americans.

I knew how the U.S. had trashed the Geneva Accords, and how we set up government after government in South Vietnam before I served there. I considered desertion to Canada prior to being shipped out.

What made up my mind to go was a walk along some railroad tracks with my WWII vet father. He told me "Son you do what you have to do, but if you don't go, no one will listen to what you say. If you go they will have to listen." My father is a wise man who flew a B-29 Bomber in the South Pacific. In Louisiana, as the rest of The South, family tradition and patriotism is paramount. Family honor and faith are the things that finally
drug us out of a segregated society.

I am very proud to have been a Winter Soldier, I love this country so deeply. But, if I had not had a chance to stand with VVAW, I might have carried guilt for a long time.

There are no finer men and women our age than those who served with honor in Vietnam, in my opinion. They will always be my brothers, no matter their politics, their color or their faith. I feel the same respect for troops facing gunfire for the U.S. in Iraq, and we have a duty to them to discuss our current military adventures.

I am in touch with a 34-year-old former MP who recently returned from Iraq. She has all sorts of problems, which we are working out. She did not believe we had proper cause to invade Iraq, but she feels guilty for rotating and leaving her brothers and sisters at war. I've been able to tell her of very similar circumstances in my service, and she is coming out.

If we don't discuss our wars, who will? If we don't do it now, then when?

John Kerry's service in and against the Vietnam War were the honorable acts of a Winter Soldier (called such because of the men who stayed with Gen. Washington in Valley Forge when so many left). He is a man who will back-up to you and fight. And, that brings him citizenship in The South, even though a "Yankee". That brings him respect from blue collar workers, even though born into a wealthy family.

Win or lose, I'll go down fighting beside JK. Many others are coming along because they want America to recover her respect in the world.

Peace,
Chuck "Indianhead" Reed, 4/31, 196LIB, Central Highlands, RVN 70-71
Hammond, La.

Indianhead you did the hump in the Nam Bro' and as a Brother Vietnam Combat Vet, welcome back my Vietnam Brother in arms. I marched on Washington DC with the VNVAW also Bro' and am damn proud of it. We were cannon fodder for this country for the growth of the economy and like the one Bush has going in Iraq -- "Greed" Bro', Nothing but "Greed" ! You got it Indianhead ---Time to get one of our Bro's in the Commander and Chiefs Hootch, it is our time my Brother! If Vietnam Vets and Veterans get the heck out there and register to vote and don't believe all this Hanoi John BS, and don't be jealous of his Decorations, and most of all don't follow mouthpieces that only use them for their own promotions like Sampley. You got it, if we stand together as Bro's once again, the way it should be as Vietnam Vets and Veterans from any era,. We will support our "TROOPS" that were put in harms way over lies and "GREED" by the Cowboy. Let us as Veterans show Bush the door in "2004" ! Darn good post Indianhead---really good! ~TOM~ D troop 1/1 Cav 101st Airborne Div. and Americal Div. 68-70

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Show Bush the Door, in "2004" ! Elect John Kerry President of the U.S.A. and bring back the respect, integrity, dignity, and honor, that the "SHRUB" has stripped this Country of, with his lies, fraud, greed, and manipulation for power ! A Vote for Kerry is a Vote of support for the Troop, Veteran, and every American of this Nation ! Vietnam Veteran For Kerry

forum.johnkerry.com



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (43593)4/25/2004 11:40:28 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Will they raise or will they stay?

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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (43593)4/26/2004 12:16:13 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467
 
North to Alaska, the Gold Rush is on...

Gold! Pebble sparks a rush
BONANZA: Iliamna deposit may be the continent's richest.

By PAULA DOBBYN
Anchorage Daily News


Gold fever is sweeping the hills near Iliamna, home to a massive mineral deposit called Pebble.

A whirlwind of claim staking is under way at Pebble, a mining frenzy Alaska hasn't witnessed since statehood, officials at the Department of Natural Resources said last week.

Since drilling results identified Pebble as possibly the largest gold deposit in North America and the second largest copper deposit, prospectors have staked claims on 365,000 acres, or 570 square miles, the most anywhere in the state, said Kerwin Krause, a property manager with DNR.

"It's a beehive of activity as we speak," Krause said.

Crews for Liberty Star Gold Corp. in December staked what the company called "the largest, one-event block of state mineral land staking in Alaska's history."

That's true, Krause said.

"It was the largest claim-staking effort by one company" ever in Alaska and has helped make Pebble the largest mining district in the state, he said.

Dave Lappi, an owner of Anchorage-based Alaska Earth Resources Inc., spent the past few months staking claims on 82,000 acres near Pebble. The company plans to ramp up its geophysical and sampling work this summer.

"We're excited about the potential," Lappi said.

As staking continues, companies hoping to turn Pebble into a working mine by later this decade are flying in crews and equipment by helicopter for what's expected to be a busy season of exploratory drilling, baseline studies and engineering. A camp is being constructed to house dozens of workers who will operate drilling rigs 24 hours a day, seven days a week, Krause said.

Pebble has been a mining prospect for years. But in January, mineral test results came back indicating that the the deposit was much larger than previously thought, said Bruce Jenkins with Northern Dynasty Minerals, a company based in Vancouver, British Columbia, that hopes to develop a mine.

The deposit is thought to contain at least 26 million ounces of gold, 16 billion pounds of copper and 900 million pounds of molybdenum. If developed, Pebble would be Alaska's largest mine, Krause said. At current metal prices, the mine has an estimated value in the $28 billion range.

"It's massive," Jenkins said.

Cominco Inc., now Teck Cominco, hoped to developed the deposit more than a decade ago. But depressed gold and copper prices shelved the plans. Since then, prices have greatly rebounded and in October 2001, Northern Dynasty jumped in, acquiring the right to earn up to a 100 percent interest in the property from Teck Cominco. The option expires at the end of November when the company is expected to take over the property.

"We know it's a mine," Jenkins said.

The only question is if it's a really big mine or an off-the-charts, mammoth one, he said.

While there's plenty of enthusiasm in mining circles about Pebble, people close to the project note that it's early in the process and there's still years of analysis, design work and permitting to be done. The goal is to have a feasibility study finished by mid-2005. Getting permits will take three to four years. With luck, Pebble could go into production in 2009, Jenkins said.

Northern Dynasty plans to spend $10 million on geological work this year, he said. The company has just leased office space in Anchorage for its Alaska operations and is hiring consultants.

Bill Popp, oil and gas liaison for the Kenai Peninsula Borough, says he's "cautiously optimistic" that Pebble will evolve into a first-class, open-pit mine. But when Popp speaks, his voice resonates not caution but enthusiasm about the project. He notes the 2,000 construction jobs the project may create and the 1,000 workers who would potentially be needed to run the mine, which has a life expectancy of 25 to 50 years.

"If it gets developed, it could have decades of impact in terms of economic growth for the Kenai Peninsula and broadened economic ties with the Bristol Bay region," Popp said. "We believe there's tremendous opportunity for hundreds of workers to be put to work."

A host of questions remain about how Pebble would get its power and where the needed deep-water port and haul road would be built. One way or another, Pebble would require more energy than the entire Kenai Peninsula currently consumes, Popp said.

Popp hopes that whoever ends up developing Pebble will use Cook Inlet natural gas, build a power plant on the lower Kenai Peninsula, and lay subsea cable across the Inlet to carry electricity to the mine. That's one of the options being talked about, he said.

While bullish on Pebble, Popp is also realistic.

"Obviously, when you're talking about a $1 billion project, any number of things can trip it up," he said.

Despite the hurdles and potential obstacles, the prospects at Pebble look good, according to Jenkins.

"It's early days, but it's exciting. We know we have a mine," he said.

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