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To: Sarmad Y. Hermiz who wrote (129992)	4/25/2004 12:12:08 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

That resistance to the occupation is coming from many sections of Iraqi society. And who is organizing it? And does this mean that they seek a return of Saddam's regime, or at least a restoration of the Baathist party? Or is it another force, long suppressed by Saddam, emerging to attempt to wrest control over the second largest reserves of oil in the world.. The Islamists (from both Saudi Arabia and Iran)? And should they succeed in driving the US and CPA forces out, what kind of government will they replace it with? And who's going to provide security, let alone the money to pay them, should the CPA forces leave Iraq? But in case someone here sincerely believes there is even a smidgen of morality to US policy in the middle east, they can disabuse themselves of that notion. As opposed to some alternative policy by some more "moral" nation, such as France? Maybe Iran? Saudi Arabia? Who has a moral policy Sarmad? That's just incredibly naive. The US has a vested self-interest in ensuring that there is no disruption of oil from Iraq, in case something should happen in Saudi Arabia. The bottom line is that if Arab states didn't have oil, the rest of the world would give a sht less about them... But they do have oil.. And the international community has a vested interest in stability and prosperity in the region.. So what the hell are the Arabs resisting? Do they enjoy living in poverty... under corrupt secular and theocratic regimes that care only about controlling their very lives and thoughts (and stripping their country of its wealth for their own selfish purposes)? What will doom the Kurds in Iraq is not their ethnicity. It is that their current leaders are allied with the occupation. If the occupation is pushed out, I believe its internal allies will not be regarded favorably. Occupied? An occupied state implies that all Iraqis are responsible for the acts of Saddam's regime. That the war was not just overthrow Saddam and liberate a repressed people, but that now the people are identifying themselves as supporters of Saddam and his Baathist criminals.. So if they want to consider themselves occupied, then maybe we have less reason to feel remorse about killing those who claim we're occupying them.. The smart thing to do, one would think, is for all of them to FINALLY say "enough is enough", bury the hatchet in the ground rather than in each other's backs, and try and create a national entity that is sustainable and economically diverse, as well as politically tolerant. But it would seem that many Iraqis don't seem to understand that their surrounding rivals have a VESTED INTEREST in seeing them dissolve into factional war. Iran and Saudi Arabia would certainly love it, because they could use that as an excuse to step in and seize those oil supplies for themselves (and not the Iraqi people). And the only thing preventing is not the Iraqi people, it's those CPA forces that you flippantly call "occupiers". OK. What is the difference between Sunna and Shiia?* And you have the gall to claim US policy isn't moral, and you don't even know the difference between Shiism and Sunnism? You can probably start here: rim.org But suffice it to say that Wahhabists and Salafists consider Shiites to be heretics for believing Ali was the heir to Muhammed. It's your typical inter-religious theological civil war, not dissimilar to what occurred in the LDS church when Joseph Smith died without a designated heir to his position. Have you ever heard that an individual in Iraq was attacked or kidnapped for being from any religion? So I guess those car bombings in Basra, carried out by Sunnis from Fallujah, and which incinerated 16 innocent Shiite school girls and killing and injuring dozens of others, was just a mirage? I bet that shelling in Sadr city was also just another lie? And Zaquawi's letter asserting his desire to start a civil war between Shiites and Sunni's was just a lie? You may be tempted to refer to the attack on a preacher named Hakim. That one was in iran for 20 years, and his brother is appointed by the US to the so-called governing council, which of course does not govern anything, and will be dissolved by the whim of the US in June. Anyway, I think he was attacked for being a foreign agent. Not for being a Shiia. But it's alright for Al-Sadr to be a foreign agent of Iran? Btw, it was both Al-Hakim and Al-Khoei.. They were there to reconcile their previous difference and unify their efforts. Al-Sadr saw that as a direct threat to HIS (and Iran's) interests, and had him killed... And 23 witnesses in the Iraqi legal indictiment claim that Al-Sadr was the guy who told them to kill those two. Again... is it alright for Al-Sadr to be an agent of Iran? Hawk