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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (568795)	4/25/2004 3:58:30 PM
From: Kenneth E. Phillipps	Respond to of 769670

NEWSWEEK: Study Suggests One in Four Soldiers Killed in Iraq Would Be Alive Today if They Had Been in Properly Armored Vehicles prnewswire.com

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (568795)	4/25/2004 4:08:19 PM
From: Doren	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Yeah, Bush is the type who, like LBJ, will not be able to admit he made a mistake even if it takes thousands upon thousands of lives to make it obvious to even the most pig headed Americans.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (568795)	4/25/2004 4:15:31 PM
From: Gordon A. Langston	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Unusually dull post. I'm forced to report you to jla.;)

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (568795)	4/26/2004 1:05:36 PM
From: DizzyG	Respond to of 769670

That is a popular line, Kenneth... No matter how many US soldiers are killed or injured, Bush will stay the course in Iraq till the last American dies Seems that John Kerry uses the Stay the Course line too. Kerry says stay the course in Iraq, kill more people author: David Halbfinger Keep your hands on that tarbaby. Register-Guard April 15, 2004 Kerry says Bush `stubborn' on rebuilding Iraq By David Halbfinger The New York Times Sen. John Kerry urged President Bush Wednesday to share responsibility for Iraq with the United Nations, saying the administration's ``stubborn'' insistence on controlling the reconstruction there was costing Americans money and lives. ``We shouldn't only be tough, we have to be smart,'' Kerry said at a news conference in Harlem in which he directly responded to Bush's session with the press the night before. ``And there's a smarter way to accomplish this mission than this president is pursuing.'' Kerry said Bush ought to ``just come out and say, `I want the United Nations to be a full partner,' '' and offer to turn over civil authority in Iraq. ``That's the argument right now,'' he said. ``Whether or not we're prepared to turn the authority over, whether they're prepared to come in without the authority. That's the fight. And the question is why the president won't do that?'' Kerry asked why Lakhdar Brahimi, a U.N. special envoy, was charged only with handling the transition of government authority ``and not the reconstruction and not the full authority for the transformation of government.'' Kerry was short on specifics, however, when asked what he would do were he president. Reminded that some countries appeared uninterested in becoming involved, he said, ``It may take a new president, then, in order to change the atmosphere.'' He referred vaguely to the presidential ``power of persuasion.'' And he described the problem as a chicken-and-egg quandary, saying: ``Which comes first, European participation or stability? The worse it gets, the harder it gets to get what you need.'' But again, when asked what he would offer European nations to enlist their help, Kerry said only that he would be ``personally deeply involved with the leaders of those countries'' and would work with Secretary-General Kofi Annan of the United Nations ``much more directly'' than Bush. Kerry found himself defending the president's stay-the-course approach in Iraq, insofar as both officials have made stability in Iraq a precondition for withdrawing U.S. troops. In a town-hall-style meeting Kerry came under attack from the left when a retired professor of mathematics, Walter Daum, questioned him on Iraq. ``You said, `Stay the course,' but what the U.S. is doing is bombing hospitals, bombing mosques, killing hundreds of civilians,'' Daum, 64, said. ``Is that the criminal course you want to stay? It's an imperialist country fighting an imperialist war. At one time you opposed an imperialist war. I'm old enough to have done that myself.'' Daum, who called himself a socialist, continued: ``People hate George Bush. But by the end of your presidency, people will hate you for the same thing.'' As several people in the audience hooted in support, Kerry answered: ``I have consistently been critical of how we got where we are. But we are where we are, sir, and it would be unwise beyond belief for the United States of America to leave a failed Iraq in its wake. What we need to do is help transition to stability, that helps recognize people's rights. I'm sure you want to recognize people's rights.'' ``I want the Americans out!'' Daum shouted. ``Yes, and I want the Americans out ...'' Kerry started. ``No you don't, you say, `Stay the course!'' Daum shouted again. ``Stay the course of leaving a stable Iraq,'' Kerry said, finally winning a round of applause. portland.indymedia.org Diz-