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To: Stan who wrote (37008)	4/28/2004 11:57:45 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

'All the promises of God are ye and amen in Christ' There are NO promises OUTSIDE of Christ under the new covenant. ALL the promises of Abraham belong to those who are in Christ. NONE of the promises belong to anyone OUTSIDE of Christ. In Christ God has broken down the wall of partition between Israel and the nations and made them into one. (read Hebrews). The OLD COVENANT IS DEAD! Heb. 8:13..."in that he saith, A new covenant, he hat made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away". The old covenant is dead! There is NO longer a division between Jew and Gentile in Christ. In Christ all are the children of Abaraham. This has been so for two thousand years. During the transition from the old to the new covenant, the transition from the Temple to Church when God finally destroyed forever the Second Temple, there was time when both Jews and Gentiles were still distinct and still living side by side in the Church. This only lasted for one or two generation. The first generation of Christians was almost all Jews. Then the Gentiles came in. Then multitudes of Priests and hundreds of thousands of other Jews were finally converted and joined to the Church. After th destruction of the Seond Temple in 70A.D. there was antoehr huge wave of Jews that joined the Church. By the second century God's vision was complete and the Church was no longer Jew and Gentile but all ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. The Church as been one for almosut 2000 years and now the Christian Zionists and the Talmudic Jews are trying to divide the body of Christ once more.

To: Stan who wrote (37008)	4/29/2004 12:09:36 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

"Gentile believers are grafted in to their commonwealth" That happened two thousand years ago. The New Israel of God the Christian people have been the chosen people longer than Israel ever existed in the OT! Yet you still want to pretend that it just happened. Christian-Zionism has put your mind in a time warp. It's as if the Body of Christ, the Christian Church, is only a parenthesis in God's plan and that the shadow and type that was Israel under the old covenant is the only important think in your thinking. It's as if Christ and his body is of less importance in your mind than the race of the Jews.

To: Stan who wrote (37008)	4/29/2004 12:15:20 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"When our full numbers come in, then all Israel will be saved when Jesus returns" Again, your understanding of this verse is warped. What is the meaning of "all Israel will be saved" Do you mean that every single Jew will be saved? You that is ridiculous since tens or hudreds of millions of Talmudic Jews have died in the last 2000 years without Christ. How can these be saved without Christ. So the verse is definitely not talking about saving every single Jew or Israelite in the flesh but rather saving every single Israel with the faith of Abraham. That's exactly what Paul was talking about. Every single Jew who had the faith of Abraham was eventually saved in that first generation of believers. First the Apostles and tens of thousands of Jews and then the full count of the Gentiles as the Apostles went out into Greece, Rome, Asia Minor, Egypt ect. and then the multitudes of Levitical Jewish priests and the tens of thousands more Jews afte the Second Temple was destroyed.

To: Stan who wrote (37008)	5/1/2004 9:38:29 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

"I agree that believers in Jesus are the true Israel. ....However....." In other words, you really don't believe the word of God because your Ziochristian theology demands that salvation be a thing of race and Jewish racism rather than the scriptural salvation by faith. If the believers in Jesus are the true Israel, then all the promises of God belong to the Christians, and NONE of the promises of Abraham belong to those who reject Christ. The Talmudist want the promises of God without accepting Christ. They have convinced the Ziochristian cultists that the promises of Abraham still belongs to them.