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To: stockman_scott who wrote (44158)4/29/2004 6:24:49 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Respond to of 89467
 
FAMILIES OF SEPTEMBER 11th: ACTION ALERT --

From email:

Hello 9-11 activists and concerned citizens,

The movement is growing! In the last few days two major
developments have taken place.

First, actor and peace activist Ed Asner, best known
for his TV series, Lou Grant, has written an open
letter to the peace and justice movement in support of
9-11 Truth. Calling 9-11 truth "the most pressing issue
today," Ed urges peace and justice activists across
America to get involved and demand the full truth about
9-11.

(The full letter is at the bottom of this email.)

Second, the National Green Party of the US has called
for a new 9-11 investigation with full participation of
the 9-11 families. Criticizing the current 9-11
commission's focus as "damage control, not discovery of
the truth," the Green Party cites the failure of FAA
and NORAD to follow standard operating procedures on
9/11. Their press release further states, "The question
is whether the Bush Administration and Congress failed
to prevent 9/11 out of gross incompetency or because
they were looking for an excuse to go to war, seize
control of Middle East oil, and implement their plan
for a global American empire."

Here is a link to the full Green Party press release:

commondreams.org

WHAT YOU CAN DO!

#1. Please email Ed Asner's letter below to local peace
and justice groups in your area.

You can find contact information by searching on Google
using the search terms "peace and justice organization"
along with your city and state. For example, if you
live in Springfield, Illinois, simply go to google.com
and type in "peace and justice organizations
springfield illinois".

Please also copy and paste my email address,
webmaster@septembereleventh.org, in the bcc field so
we can keep a record of those peace and justice groups
who received a copy of Ed's letter.

#2. Forward this email to as many people as you can,
and post it on relevant lists and web forums. Also,
encourage people to sign up at the top-right-hand side
of our home page (http://www.septembereleventh.org) to
receive our action alerts themselves.

Thank you and may Truth and Peace prevail!

Emanuel Sferios
Webmaster, 9-11 Visibility Project
septembereleventh.org

A letter to the Peace and Justice movement from Ed Asner

Original letter with signature:
septembereleventh.org

Mon, 26 Apr 2004

Dear Peace & Justice Leader(s),

I am Ed Asner. As you may know, I've dedicated much of
my life to promoting peace & justice issues in America.

I would like to suggest to you emphatically that the
9-11 truth movement is the most pressing issue of the
peace & justice movement today. Here is why. 9-11 has
been used to justify "endless war" and a continual
rollback in civil liberties that seems to have no end
in sight. Yet, 9-11 remains the least examined tragedy
in modern American history.

Americans would have never agreed to the last two wars
and the Patriot Act's disturbing policy . . . had it
not been for 9-11.

There are many disturbing issues around 9-11 that have
yet to be examined in any meaningful way by our media,
Congress, and even by the 9-11 Commission. These
include accountability for the massive breakdown of air
defense and plane intercept procedures as described in
FAA and DOD regulations, which were violated on 9-11...

This breakdown and astounding unpreparedness by U.S.
domestic defense agencies is puzzling to say the least,
given the detailed reports our government had of the
coming attacks, that were bizarrely suppressed by key
officials.

For example, FBI Agent Coleen Rowley suggested that her
offices' attempts to alert higher ups in the FBI of the
pre 9-11 activities of Zacharias Moussaoui "seemed to
have been consistently, almost DELIBERATELY thwart[ed]
. . ." While George Tenet, Director of the CIA, had
recieved a memo in August of 2001 (one month before the
attacks of 9-11) on this report entitled, "Islamic
Extermists Learn to Fly." Yet, Tenet took no action on
this memo. The FBI agents responsible for the now
famous "Phoenix Memo" regarding Osama Bin Laden sending
students to the U.S. to attend civil aviation schools,
also struggled to get their higher ups to act on this
information.

To date, no one has been held accountable for the
massive defense failures on 9-11, nor for the bizarre
suppression of critical warnings prior to 9-11.
Furthermore, we still have no explanation for why the
head of Pakistani intelligence, who was meeting with
top Bush Administration officials in Washington on
9-11-2001, had wired lead hijacker Mohammed Atta
$100,000.00 weeks before 9-11. We still do not know who
made the insider stock trades in weeks and days leading
up to 9-11, by betting "against" United and American
Airlines stocks (the aircraft used as missiles on
9-11).

What we DO KNOW is that $5 million of those insider
stock trade "winnings" apparently by someone who had
foreknowledge of the coming attacks, were made the day
before 9-11 at AB Brown Trust. AB Brown Trust was
headed until his induction into the CIA by Buzzy
Krongard, who is now the Executive Director of the CIA.
We also know that the current head of AB Brown Trust
quietly resigned his position on 9-11, with no media
scrutiny nor apparently government scrutiny. Lastly,
and perhaps most bizarre is the fact that $2.5 million
of those stock "winnings" against these airlines made
at AB Brown Trust . . . remain unclaimed.

We deserve to know why no one has been held
accountable, and who made those insider stock trades.
We also deserve to know why the Bush Administration
allowed members of the Bin Laden family to quietly
leave the U.S. after 9-11, with virtually no
questioning by the FBI, and at a time when other
Americans were not allowed to fly.

There are many other profound, and bizarrely "unasked"
questions around 9-11. I urge all to read "The New
Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions About the Bush
Administration and 9/11" by David Ray Griffin, and
endorsed by Howard Zinn, and to view "The Great
Deception" documentary by acclaimed Canadian television
journalist Barry Zwicker. Peace & justice leaders and
activists will find these works a great resource for
getting current on the 9-11 truth issue, and can be
great organizing tools to educate others.

I fear that if the underlying issues of 9-11 truth are
not demanded, that Iraq may be but a flame on an ocean
of gasoline that may be used to ignite war after war
after war. We cannot, as a peace & justice movement
only address the flames. We must look at the fuel being
used to justify the flames of war and repression at
home and abroad. We must look deeply at the events
leading up to, on and since 9-11. We must demand full
9-11 truth.

I encourage all local and national peace & justice
activists and organizations to join Philadelphia Peace
Action and other peace & justice organizations
nationwide who are now beginning to work with and
becoming involved with the National 9-11Visibility
Project at www.septembereleventh.org and to list your
local efforts contact information there, so 9-11 truth
activists across the nation can get involved with you
to demand full 9-11 truth.

The National 9-11 Visibility Project has worked with
9-11 family members, and become a media source
conducting interviews and linking media with 9-11
family members, including BBC World Wide Radio Network,
The O'Reilly Factor, and others. By listing your local
contact information for your local 9-11 truth
activities at www.septembereleventh.org media visiting
the site can find your contact information as well as
local activists who want to join your efforts.

Sincerely,

Ed Anser
__________________________________



To: stockman_scott who wrote (44158)4/29/2004 8:50:31 AM
From: sylvester80  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
NEWS: Poll: Support for War Down Sharply; Bush numbers plummet on handling of Iraq

By RICHARD W. STEVENSON and JANET ELDER
April 29, 2004

nytimes.com

Support for the war in Iraq has eroded substantially over the past several months, and Americans are increasingly critical of the way President Bush is handling the conflict, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

After initially expressing robust backing for the war, the public is now evenly divided over whether the United States military should stay for as long as it takes to stabilize Iraq or pull out as soon as possible, the poll showed.

Asked whether the United States had done the right thing in taking military action against Iraq, 47 percent of respondents said it had, down from 58 percent a month earlier and 63 percent in December, just after American forces captured Saddam Hussein. Forty-six percent said the United States should have stayed out of Iraq, up from 37 percent last month and 31 percent in December.

The diminished public support for the war did not translate into any significant advantage for Mr. Bush's Democratic challenger, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. The poll showed the two men remaining in a statistical dead heat, both in a head-to-head matchup and in a three-way race that included Ralph Nader.

Support for Mr. Bush is stronger in other areas vital to his re-election, including his handling of the threat from terrorism, which won the approval of 60 percent of respondents.

Even so, just short of a year after Mr. Bush stood on the deck of the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln last May 1 and proclaimed the end to major combat operations under a banner reading "Mission Accomplished," his approval rating has slid from the high levels it reached during the war.

It now stands at 46 percent, the lowest level of his presidency in The Times/CBS News Poll, down from 71 percent last March and a high of 89 percent just after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

At this point in his winning re-election race in 1996, President Bill Clinton's approval rating in The New York Times/CBS News Poll was 48 percent.

Mr. Bush's approval rating for his handling of Iraq was 41 percent, down from 49 percent last month and 59 percent in December.

The survey held hints of trouble for Mr. Kerry as he seeks to introduce himself to an electorate that knows relatively little about him. While 55 percent of Mr. Bush's supporters said they strongly favored the president, only 32 percent of Mr. Kerry's supporters strongly favored their candidate.

Sixty-one percent of voters said Mr. Kerry says what he thinks people want to hear, versus 29 percent who said he says what he believes. The Bush campaign has attacked Mr. Kerry for months on that score, portraying him as a flip-flopper with no convictions.

On the same question, 43 percent said Mr. Bush says what people want to hear and 53 percent said he says what he believes.

The poll, conducted from Friday to Tuesday, came during a month that has seen more American soldiers killed in Iraq than in any other month since the invasion 13 months ago. In the days before the poll was conducted, a Web site obtained and publicly released for the first time photographs of soldiers' coffins returning to the United States from Iraq.

"The only thing I think was good was when they got Saddam," said Anna Bartlow, 67, of Tulsa, Okla., a poll respondent who identified herself as a Republican. "That's the only thing that I think they did right, but if they were going to go over there just for him, they should have gotten him and then got out."

Of the Iraqis, Ms. Bartlow said, "Let them fight it out among themselves."

The poll questioned 1,042 people. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.

Terry Holt, a spokesman for the Bush campaign, questioned whether the poll accurately reflected public opinion. But, Mr. Holt said, the White House has all along expected the presidential race to be close until the very end.

"There will be tough times in Iraq," Mr. Holt said, "but the key to prevailing and winning the war on terror is steady, determined leadership."

Chad Clanton, a spokesman for Mr. Kerry, said the fact that the race remained essentially tied showed that Mr. Bush's attacks, including an aggressive advertising campaign, had failed to take down Mr. Kerry.

The poll suggested that American attitudes about the war were shifting in response to a daily barrage of disturbing images and news reports. Mr. Bush's advisers have asserted that Americans long ago made up their minds that the war was justified, and that violent flare-ups in Iraq would not hurt the president politically as long as the United States remained committed to creating a stable democracy there.

But the Times/CBS poll appeared to bolster the view of many Democrats that the intensified violence in Iraq would inevitably lead to questions about the wisdom of the war and Mr. Bush's leadership.

Asked whether the results of the war with Iraq were worth the loss of American lives and other costs, 33 percent of respondents said it was worth it. That was down from 37 percent at the beginning of April and 44 percent in December. Fifty-eight percent said it was not worth it, up from 54 percent at the start of the month and 49 percent in December.

At a time when American troops are engaged in fierce battles in Najaf and Falluja, two centers of the Iraqi insurgency, the poll found that 46 percent of Americans thought the United States military should remain in Iraq for as long as it takes to create a stable democracy, even if it takes a long time, and 46 percent said the United States should withdraw as soon as possible.

American perceptions of Iraqis haveH also shifted, the poll found. While 53 percent of Americans in a CBS News poll a year ago saw Iraqis as grateful for getting rid of Mr. Hussein, 38 percent see Iraqis feeling that way now. Forty-eight percent now view the Iraqis as resentful, up from 26 percent a year ago.

But the Iraq developments do not appear to have reshaped the presidential race in any discernible way.

If the election were held today, 46 percent of registered voters would vote for Mr. Kerry and 44 percent for Mr. Bush, the poll found. With Mr. Nader in the race, Mr. Bush would get 43 percent, Mr. Kerry 41 percent and Mr. Nader 5 percent, suggesting that nearly all of Mr. Nader's support comes from voters who would otherwise back the Democrat.

Follow-up interviews with people who took part in the poll suggested that the surge in violence in the past few months had led some Americans who supported the general goal of bringing democracy to Iraq to become more skeptical.

"It appears to me that we're not welcome there, and I don't know if I would have been able to support the invasion of Iraq if I had felt that the Iraqi people didn't welcome us there," said Michael Ryan, 54, of Ashland, Ore., who identified himself as a Democrat.

"I'm under the impression now that Dick Cheney came into office with an agenda for war in Iraq, and that George Bush had the same agenda, and that they were twisting the facts to justify the invasion," he said. "And I feel angry about it because I supported the U.S. invasion."

Violet Adams, 66, of Delta, Colo., who identified herself as a Republican, said she thought the United States would have to maintain a presence in the Middle East for a decade as part of the broader effort to confront Islamic terrorism.

"We either take them in their territory, on their turf, and keep them there, or we let them scatter all over the world and start their little cells, and then we'll all be living like Israel," Ms. Adams said.

Nick Dente, 46, of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., who identified himself as an independent, said he had not been a supporter of Mr. Bush but was open to backing him depending on how he conducted the fight against terrorism. In going to war with Iraq, Mr. Dente said, Mr. Bush took that fight in the wrong direction.

"I believe we've gotten sidetracked from finding Al Qaeda," he said.

Fred Backus contributed reporting for this article.