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To: E. T. who wrote (187346)4/29/2004 12:33:13 PM
From: zonder  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572713
 
speaking to people who have been to the middle east it is Jews and not just Israel that arab's in the middle east hate

They don't know any other Jews, but those in Israel.

When mullahs, from minarets and public loudspeakers throughout the Arab world, cry for revenge it is not against Israel but for heathen jews

Sometimes perhaps. Other times it may be against Israel. Yet some other times it may be against the US. Your statement above is wrong in it that it claims mullahs incite their followers against JEWS and not against ISRAEL.

By the way, I was in a synagogue two years ago when the rabbi started going off about how Jews had to fight the French state AND all French, not to mention the whole Christian world. It went on for a long time. It was very funny for me because I thought, until that time, that this kind of fanaticism was reserved for Muslim radicals :-) The whole thing was sparked, apparently, by an article this guy read in the paper saying some Nazi guy's book was on sale in France. Or something.

In some ways, imo, the arab populace in the middle east is being brainwashed

Sure. And so are Americans, unfortunately, with all this "They hate us because we are pretty" rubbish. What is mass media, after all, but a brainwashing device?

PA refugee camps and she agrees that they are one of the most despicable places on earth. However, her comment was that tens of millions of dollars have been donated from around the world and, indeed, much from Israel, to help improve the situation for these people. But corruption is so rampant within the PA that no money ever makes it the camps.

E.T- Come on :-) Is it MONEY these people need?

So when you talk about arabs hating Israel for the situation with the Palestinian, you are, imo, being naive

No I am not. That Is One Major Reason why Arabs and in fact Muslims in general harbor animosity towards the US. Do you think most know the details of the conflict? Do they even CARE? No. They SEE Israeli tanks and the oppression they bring on the Palestinian people, their Muslim brothers. They KNOW US supports this oppression. They don't need to know more to hate the US.

Not much different from the way Americans didn't need to really understand why Al Qaeda attacked the US before hating them and all the Taliban, and in some cases, all Muslims with them. Just look around on SI.

Arabs hate jews because they are taught to hate jews, not for anything they do

You can believe that is all, if you wish. Just think of all Arabs and all Muslims, in fact, as imbeciles who just hate who they are told to hate.

It doesn't help you understand the situation and less to formulate a solution.



To: E. T. who wrote (187346)4/29/2004 6:53:19 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1572713
 
My friend that recently returned from a three-week vacation in Israel stayed with his sister for a while. She had been been on a military expedition into one of the PA refugee camps and she agrees that they are one of the most despicable places on earth. However, her comment was that tens of millions of dollars have been donated from around the world and, indeed, much from Israel, to help improve the situation for these people. But corruption is so rampant within the PA that no money ever makes it the camps. Why are the mullahs in the Arab world not crying out for honest leadership within the Palestinian community so their plight can be improved?

There's no question that most of the ME is corrupt. Its been that way for years.......corruption was one of the reasons why the Ottoman Empire collapsed. The ME is a bad neighborhood; its why we need to proceed with great caution.

For all its problems, the corruption of the United States pales in contrast with the situation within middle east arab countries.

Most definitely.....Americans have very different values from Middle Easteners.

So when you talk about arabs hating Israel for the situation with the Palestinian, you are, imo, being naive. Arab leaders don't want an introspective populace, they're happier with one whose energies are directed toward hating others outside of their borders.

Yes, of course........this is not news.

In the thirties, many good people such as yourself, argued that Germans had valid reasons for hating the jews, for stealing jobs, raping children, drinking gentile blood, controlling interest rates to their advantage, corrupting the christian religion, etc. But really, jewish folk in Germany, Poland, France, Lithuania, wanted to live in peace, mind their own business, raise their families, be good neighbors, just as they do today in Israel.

Yes, but Israel isn't just content to live in peace; its messing with the manifest destiny of another culture.

Arabs hate jews because they are taught to hate jews, not for anything they do.

That too is not news.......and its not going to change any time soon either. The Zionists knew all that when they decided to emigrate to Palestine in 1896. They went anyways.........caveat emptor......buyer beware of what you're getting yourself into.

I mean if it was so bad in Israel, why is there not a mass exodus of the arab israelis?

Although they are not full citizens, the Israeli Arabs have it good, better than their Arab brothers but what does that matter?

ted