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To: Enigma who wrote (130653)	4/30/2004 3:26:25 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The cradle of Civilization was in England in 1066. the second cradle was in Philadelphia in 1776

To: Enigma who wrote (130653)	4/30/2004 3:41:43 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

They get no benefit of the doubt because they shouldn't be there - they are there in violation of international law. Which international law? Please document... Hawk

To: Enigma who wrote (130653)	4/30/2004 4:28:26 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 281500

Frankly, we could have invaded in self- defense merely for the continual barrages against our aircraft enforcing the "no- fly" zone. In addition, we had UN resolutions to enforce. The UN never, in fact, condemned the operation, in spite of the lack of explicit authorization, for the very good reason that the United States would be expected to deal with Saddam in the long run, and therefore was owed a certain amount of deference in determining the timing of the operation. Additionally, there was precedent for interventions not explicitly sanctioned by the United Nations, not only by the United States, but by countries like France. The most important was our intervention on behalf of Kosovo, which was a NATO operation without UN authorization. The rationale was that instability in Serbia was an inherent security threat to Europe, and therefore expressed an attenuated self- defense justification. In a similar manner, we had a self- defense rationale in invading Iraq, without having been attacked or being under direct threat, given the intelligence that both the Clinton and Bush Administrations were getting on the activities of the Ba'athist regime.