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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (130689)	4/30/2004 5:16:55 PM
From: Sig	Respond to of 281500

<<Can we really say the same about our invasion of Iraq? There was no compelling "self-defense" rationale for invading Iraq.>> I'll disagree with that part. A nuclear tipped missile is a WMD, and Saddam was still working on his long range (and banned) missiles during the last UN inspections in Iraq. If nuclear missiles are not a threat, why is everyone so upset about The Korean and the Iranian programs to produce them.? Is it safe to disregard those ?. Chemical WMD's are bad, nukes are much worse.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (130689)	4/30/2004 5:44:59 PM
From: Rascal	Respond to of 281500

Did you ever hear the story of the Frog and the Scorpion? Right now you are the frog. But thanks for the post. Rascal @AnimalFarm.com

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (130689)	4/30/2004 6:06:24 PM
From: Enigma	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

What a good post - pearls amongst swine I fear

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (130689)	4/30/2004 7:27:14 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

You really might want to reserve judgement regarding Saddam's involvement with Al-Qaeda. There apparently exists significant information linking major players in Iraqi intelligence with Al-Qaeda involvment and ties: "A few days later, about 100 trainees arrived. They were a mixture of Arabs, Arabs from the Peninsula [Saudi Arabia], Muslim Afghans, and other Muslims from various parts of the world. They were divided into two groups, the first one went to Al-Nahrawan and the second to Salman Pak, and this was the group that was trained to hijack airplanes. The training was under the direct supervision of major general (M. DH. L) [only identified by initials] who now serves as a police commander in one of the provinces. Upon the completion of the training most of them left Iraq, while the others stayed in the country through the last battle in Baghdad against the coalition forces." Al-Qa'ida Group Headed by a Saudi Cleric "I remember that the leader of the group was a Saudi cleric called [Muhammad], who was a fervent and audacious individual and did not require much training. He was highly skilled, and could fire accurately at a target while riding a motorcycle. Additionally, he used to deliver fiery sermons calling for Jihad and for fighting the Americans anywhere in the world. Surprisingly, this man's picture, alongside the commander of the Special Forces School, was televised several times before the beginning of the war and the fall of the former regime." Training Supervised by the Fedayeen Command "...The Fedayeen command [Fedayeen Saddam under Uday's command] supervised the 100 Al-Qa'ida fighters directly, to the extent that senior Fedayeen officers visited them constantly and inspected them almost daily, especially during the final days when they transferred them, late at night in two red trucks that belonged to the Ministry of Transportation, to an undisclosed destination. I witnessed that with my own eyes because on that day I was the duty officer." memri.org I believe that the problem with making this information known now is either with "sources and methods" (fear of compromising a source), or trying to actually obtain multiple confirmations of the same information. Of course, the more cynical opinion would be that Bush is trying to delay the release of the information until he needs an Ace up his sleeve. Nothing better than being able to reveal to the American people that he was right in taking on Saddam.. It would certainly suck the wind from Kerry's sails.. And feasibly, he could legally delay the information being disseminated as long as he wants. Because who's to decide when there is "sufficient and credible" information to finally make the connection? For more information, you might wish to review this web-site and Douglas Feith's memo on Iraqi-Al-Aqaida ties: abovetopsecret.com Bottom line.. the jury is still out.. And before you decide to dig yourself in any deeper, you might want to understand some more details that they are obviously trying desperately to confirm and verify. Hawk