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To: TobagoJack who wrote (49219)	4/30/2004 10:34:20 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<I am guessing the top will take a page from ENRON Skilling’s prepared script, ‘I didn’t know what was going on, and so I am not responsible’. The core is rotting, and the rot goes always to the top of the core, in a fundamental way. Little wonder the US administration refuses to enter into the war crimes agreement. All is becoming clear to all.> I think I'd prefer the bullying by Americans than the explorations in cruelty and bodily dismemberment as carried out by Saddam's and Uday's sidekicks [and themselves]. But it would still irritate me somewhat, or perhaps at least annoy me a little to have American thugs beating me around and forcing me into such situations as were described. I wonder how Americans would feel if their soldiers or civilians were treated in the same way. They'd get saliva and spittle all over the screen. Lt Calley was let off lightly. No Nuremberg trial for him. But on "I was just following orders" seems to be reversed for the Americans to "I was not giving orders" so it was "Nothing to do with me, even though I was in charge. The buck stops somewhere else". When we hear how the military trains their soldiers, it's not surprising that they carry on like that. Dehumanizing people seems to be part of the process of their training, which to me is a faulty way of training people. It is also a weak way of training because it teaches that the enemy isn't smart, thoughtful, dedicated, considerate, reasonable, but is some subhuman species needing elimination, which will of course lead to little blunders such as Osama flying aeroplanes into very big buildings. Thinking of the enemy as cowards is a mistake, but that's a common refrain in talking about the evil-doers. They are obviously NOT cowards. I noticed a Fox news item using the phrase "Homicide bombers" because they didn't want to write "Suicide bombers" which is much more descriptive of the situation. Some IRA bombers were neither suicide nor homicide [giving warnings to clear an area]. But suicide bombers are invariably targeting homicide as part of the process, which is an honorable tradition in human conflict. Think of the Japanese Kamikaze pilots, as just one example. "I'll die, but I'll take some of them with me". The USA seems to be getting a lot wrong. They should hire me as their NUN consultant. Heck, I'd do it for no pay if they are short of a few bob. Mqurice PS: Disgusted? Wow, that's one of your more expressive comments. Keep it in perspective though. It doesn't seem they killed anyone [not in that lot of news items anyway]. Normal police in city streets can be fairly brutal pieces of work too, even in downtown Auckland.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (49219)	5/1/2004 12:09:37 AM
From: twmoore	Respond to of 74559

" Disgusted, " Jay,the people in the world,including some in the USA that have the ability to use the brains that they were born with,are disgusted also.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (49219)	5/1/2004 12:46:21 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hi Jay, Re: I happen to believe in the American people in the decent majority, and so let’s see if I will be disappointed come November. Never forget, it doesn't matter who votes. It only matters who counts the votes. There is finally some good news that the evil Republican grip on vote counting and concurrent vote fraud is one step less possible this November: nytimes.com "California Bars a Firm's Voting Machines in November Election" This is indeed good news for the future of our so-called "democracy".

To: TobagoJack who wrote (49219)	5/1/2004 1:23:21 PM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<<<I happen to believe in the American people in the decent majority, and so let?s see if I will be disappointed come November.>>> We are a Republic. Having a majority may not be enough. I put a lot of the blame on the Ralph Nader types. Come November, it is not going to be easy for the American majority to prevail. Rupert Murdoch and his Darth Vader (Roger Ailes) will pull out all of the stops to win this one. IMO, they have to win this one - because if they don't they will never have another chance to be this close. George Bush is the only candidate they have - they don't have another that is electable.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (49219)	5/4/2004 1:25:49 AM
From: Dr. Voodoo	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Jay, Sad to say, it won't matter how the vote comes out in November. Iraq is a mess that will not be cleaned up by a presidential election. Major global intervention is going to be needed to clean this ish up. I do not believe in widespread conspiracy theories, intelligence policies or any of the garbage that you will hear about with regard to what you'll soon read about in the process of the future investigation. I would simply say that there are more than a few bad apples on this tree. The fact that people's careers are at stake here is going to make this into a huge mess. Finding blame here isn't going to help this situation one iota. The fact that these people were so freaking dumb that they were taking pictures says volumes about what the 'unspoken' policy is over there. Also sorry to say, but the disgusting acts that you witnessed are part of having 10,000 Iraqis in coalition run prisons. If we were baking them cookies, showing them reruns of gilligan's island, things would be a LOT different than what they are right now. What the results would be?? Anybody's guess, and NOBODY knows. The clash of civilizations is on, and whatever one may say about Asian values, making defenseless men partake in forced sex acts is not part of the ritual. Assuming particular nature and kinds of abuse doesn't take place in asian prisons, and war zones is a big mistake on your part. Need I bring up the Hmong, Khmer Rouge, Tibet, Cambodia, North Korea, China doing forced sterilizations? Do a google search on what some of our species is doing in Asia. It happens, it's brutal and it's stupid what humans do to each other for the sake of what they believe is right. The arabs and jeeazus loving zealots haven't cornered the market on raping and pillaging, just like they didn't invent the kamakaze. If God's gonna sort out the bad from the good, which God are we talking about? Sadams? Osama's? Dubya's? Blair's? Arafat's? Sharon? Please tell me, they can't all have cornered the market on God. The fact that the obvious solution to all of this is to put down our freaking weapons and get busy doing something productive to take care of each other just makes it all the more stupid that we're busy fighting over a big giant dirt ball, and someday, we'll probably wind up killing ourselves off. Pretty freaking dismal. So if God would like to do us all a favor and sort this mess out, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it!