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To: Sarmad Y. Hermiz who wrote (130776)	5/1/2004 12:00:13 AM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi Sarmad Y. Hermiz; Re: "I would guess the US interrogators learned this from their Israeli tutors. Who told them this is an unltimate humiliation of the prisoner to break his will." Everyone in the US knows that the Arabs tend to be very conservative and religious Moslems. Since, as children, we generally go to public schools with a mixture of student types, we are all exposed to conservative religious Christians. Children are cruel, so of course we all know where their buttons are and how to push them. Bush himself is undoubtedly angered by it. This is the kind of thing that conservative Christians imagine is done by Satan worshipping Vegans. Re: "Did you notice that for a while the US forces were demolishing homes of resistance fighters in fallujah and Tikrit." I agree that this smells like Israeli influence. I've never heard of it done anywhere else. Of course guerilla wars have been fought for thousands of years, and the problem of how to punish the relatives of the guerillas has been approached many times before. The traditional solution is to kill them, but sometimes banishment or detention was used. Re: "And usually by the 3rd or 4th the remaining prisoners would be talking. At the time I didn't believe it. I only heard it as hearsay. But now I actually do believe that kind of interrogation had happened." This kind of thing may not be widespread, but I doubt that it has been absent from any guerilla war ever fought, and that holds throughout the past 5000 years. Humans are nasty critters. Just because I wouldn't do it now, in my comfortable home, doesn't mean that I wouldn't do it after seeing enough of my buddies die. And just because I wouldn't do it even after seeing many friends killed doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't do it. If it's any consolation, you should see how (some) Americans treat other Americans. Oh, I guess the mass media has already exposed you to various serial killers and what not. There are many many Americans that are outraged by the war in Iraq, and the numbers are slowly growing (as should be evident from SI). Eventually we will end this. I can only apologize that I was not able to halt it in the bud, but I am just one man with no real power. -- Carl P.S. It turns out that successful serial killers require mobile societies in order to obtain their victims, so the problem is not universal. In places where everyone knows everyone the people who would become serial killers in the US get caught faster.