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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (130825)5/1/2004 10:36:16 AM
From: Sig  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
<<"Muslim refugees had taken refuge in the Dome of the Rock, the mosque of al-Aqsa... A group of Crusaders broke in and slaughtered everyone inside. Similarly, the Jews of the city fled to their synagogue, only to have the Crusaders set it on fire, killing everyone. The chroniclers tell of streets running with blood... All the Jews of Jerusalem were dead. All the Muslims were dead.">>

The Europeans used castles, the settlers tended to use stockades, and the military used forts. Better protection.

Most of these are much more difficult to build but more effective. Work is so tiring.

Praying for protection should be a last resort and requires a miracle which are rather scarce.

The surviving cultures will be those who learn to read and write, to send out people to foreign lands to learn new ways and ideas.

Those who learned how to make cement as the Romans did, or cut rocks as the Egyptians did. Or mine and form metals. Or organise a government or build armor.

Many governments are resistant to change, hate to accept new ideas that bring uncertainty or challenge old beliefs.

The earth is round? - Not in my world.
The earth is moving, and not the stars? Jail that crazy oaf.

We are in a learning process now, how to defeat terrorists.
Working more closely with intelligence agencies of our allies. Finding the most efficient ways of a tracking funds, of using intercepted phone calls or finding their origin, sifting data to spot trends or commonalities. Connecting dots. Monitoring chemical or material shipments.

Material shipments indicated that Saddam was pursueing WMD's thru imports of pesticides (precursors) and 10 times the amount of chlorine the country normally needed.
With the pesticides being stored alongside ammunitions.

What we lack is the proof of the intended use of these chemicals and the aluminum tubes.

It must have been strong perfume being made in that factory, maybe 'Eue De Sarin', or 'Essense of Saddam ', with a nitroglycerin base used instead of plain glycerin

Sig



To: Noel de Leon who wrote (130825)5/1/2004 10:54:52 AM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
What is your point? That the Crusaders are bad? Fine. Point taken.

However, the Christians do not have a crusading mentality now, and haven't had one for centuries.

The Muslims do. Right here and now. "Go join the jihad and kill some infidels. It's Glorious! Allahu Akhbar!"

Got that?

So which side do we need to worry about?



To: Noel de Leon who wrote (130825)5/1/2004 2:46:03 PM
From: FaultLine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
A Supremacist believes his religion, particularly his version and interpretation, is supreme over all others. Being a believer puts one in a special position, allowing him to impose his will on others, even to kill innocents in order to further his supreme cause.

Very nice post, Noel. thanks.

--fl



To: Noel de Leon who wrote (130825)5/4/2004 2:10:31 PM
From: Neocon  Respond to of 281500
 
I was not defending the Crusades, but correcting a couple of misstatements. I will say, though, that the Crusades began as the defense of Christian territory, when the Arabs were pressing the Byzantine Empire for control of the Holy Places, and even the Iberian "crusades" involved the recapture of Christian territory, which had been overrun by the Moors a couple of centuries before......