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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (130916)5/2/2004 2:12:58 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 281500
 
What was their proposal? Thank you Nadine. That is the bottom line, and what I was getting to with the question about what the left and/or anti-war folks have actually accomplished re: human rights in Iraq ....specifically Iraq for now, but we could also include Bosnia, etc as well.

Did they save people from being killed by Saddam and his thugs? If so, how many? Where? Did they speak up to CNN and tell them that CNN should have been telling what happened in Iraq for 11 years rather than hiding what Saddam was doing...?

Exactly what have the anti-war folks done to prevent the hundreds of thousands of people from being murdered and put into mass graves?

What did the anti-war folks do to prevent Saddam from skimming billions from the UN's oil-for-food program? Did they feed the children of Iraq?



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (130916)5/2/2004 9:17:06 AM
From: Rascal  Respond to of 281500
 
How this could be construed as anything other than working for Saddam (it was, after all, what he wanted), I never could figure out.

Cheney Panel Seeks Review Of Sanctions
Iraq, Iran and Libya Loom Large in Boosting Oil Supply
By Peter Behr and Alan Sipress
Washington Post
April 19, 2001

An influential energy task force headed by Vice President Cheney has broached the possibility of lifting some economic sanctions against Iran, Libya and Iraq as part of a plan to increase America's oil supply. According to a draft of the task force report, the United States should review the sanctions against the three countries because of the importance of their oil production to meeting domestic and global energy needs.

The April 10 draft acknowledges that sanctions can "advance" important national security and diplomatic goals. But it adds that United Nations sanctions on Iraq and U.S. restrictions on energy investments in Libya and Iran "affect some of the most important existing and prospective petroleum producing countries in the world." "The administration will initiate a comprehensive sanctions review and seek to engage the Congress in a partnership for sanctions reform," the draft said. The nation's energy security should be one of the priorities of U.S. domestic and foreign policy, according to a portion of the draft read to The Washington Post and confirmed by the White House.

With the administration already weighing how to restructure sanctions on Iraq, Iran and Libya, those recommendations provide the latest evidence of skepticism among some Bush officials about the effectiveness of this long-standing foreign policy tool. The task force text also offers a rare glimpse inside the workings of one of the administration's most significant deliberations.

White House officials, who have sought to keep the task force's work quiet, cautioned that the recommendations are not final. "There have been many drafts of the energy proposals and many changes made," said Juleanna Glover Weiss, a spokeswoman for Cheney. "We're still quite a while out from a final product to be presented to the president. Until the president makes final decisions on that product, everything is subject to change."

The energy report, due in the next few weeks, will be about 100 pages and divided into 10 chapters, administration officials say. The report will be heavily focused on increased energy production but will also deal with environmental concerns and promote energy efficiency and renewable fuels.

The task force's draft recommendations come amid a brewing battle over whether Congress should reauthorize the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act for five more years when it expires in August. The oil industry is pressing for the investment restrictions to be eased, and the leading pro-Israel lobby and its allies are pushing to keep them in place. The administration has not said whether it will support the reauthorization of ILSA but has signaled that it has some reservations about the existing restrictions. The measure, enacted in 1996, is designed to punish Iran and Libya for sponsoring terrorism by penalizing foreign companies that invest in their energy industries. American companies were already banned from involvement.

But confronting stiff opposition from European countries, whose energy firms faced U.S. penalties, the Clinton administration later issued a waiver allowing some investment in the Iranian energy industry to proceed.

In recent weeks, Sens. Gordon Smith (R-Ore.) and Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) have sought to build support for renewing ILSA for five more years with only minor modifications. Capitol Hill staffers said the measure would continue to ban foreign firms from investing more than $20 million in the Iranian energy industry while possibly lowering the existing ceiling on investments in Libya from the current level of $40 million down to $20 million.

A cross-section of the energy industry, including oil companies such as Exxon Mobil Corp. and production services companies such as Halliburton, have been pressing Congress and administration policy-makers under Bush and former president Bill Clinton to give them access to Libya, Iran and Iraq. Cheney was chief executive of Halliburton before Bush tapped him to be his running mate last year.

Iran, Iraq and Libya exported 6 million barrels a day last year, about 8 percent of world total oil demand. Iraq probably has about 10 percent of world oil reserves, second only to Saudi Arabia's 25 percent share, energy analysts estimate, and Iran's reserves are close in size to Iraq's. Libya has about 4 percent of world reserves.

A proposal to increase energy exploration and production in Libya, Iraq and Iran would seem to run counter to the administration's concerns about foreign dependence. But a key conclusion of the energy task force will be the need to diversify the nation's sources of energy supplies as widely as possible, administration officials have said. "Growing levels of conventional and heavy oil production and exports from the western hemisphere, the Caspian and Africa are important factors that can lessen the impact of a supply disruption on the U.S. and world economies," the task force draft said. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell has taken the lead in promoting a plan to ease the economic embargo on Iraq while tightening restrictions on imports and oil revenue that can be used to develop its military.

Under the U.N. Security Council's oil-for-food program, Iraq is allowed to export petroleum -- much of which ultimately is sold in the United States. But the profits must be placed in a U.N. account, which can be used to pay for food, medicine and other humanitarian goods. Administration officials plan to craft a new program of sanctions on Iraq by June, when the restrictions come up before the Security Council for a review.
globalpolicy.org

And then....

But, as the Washington Times noted in a March 5 report, that is at odds with a position Powell took, just before his trip, that sanctions would not be lifted until inspectors are allowed in again..

Standing Firm, Vigilant

"Let the inspectors in," Powell said, "and we can get beyond this. Until [Saddam] does that, I think we have to be firm. We have to be vigilant, and I will be carrying this message to my friends in the region."

The message he actually took, or brought back, was quite different – downplaying the importance of inspectors and featuring softer sanctions.

In an interview March 2 with the Washington Times, Cheney seemed to be making that very point:

"I think we'd like to see the inspectors back in there. I don't think we want to hinge our policy just to the question of whether or not the inspectors go back in there."

When asked if the inspections program is now considered by the new administration to be less crucial than in the past, Cheney responded:

"It may not be as crucial if you've got other measures in place and you've got a [sanctions] regime that people are willing to support. So we'll have to see."

Or Maybe Not

Later that day, however, Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, phoned the Times to "clarify" the vice president's position on that point:

"We expect the Iraqis to live up to all U.N. resolutions, including getting inspectors back in."

Libby acknowledged, though, that the return of U.N. weapons inspectors to Iraq is not imminent.

newsmax.com

Rascal @OhWhatATangledWeb.com



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (130916)5/2/2004 10:59:45 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
"How this could be construed as anything other than working for Saddam (it was, after all, what he wanted), I never could figure out. "

Nadine, the above is just sad. Just because people think differently than you do, they are not working for the enemy. I have had to say this before to you, and it is most unpleasant to have to read the sort of thing I have clipped above on a board like this, which really should deal with ideas that are a little more sophisticated (imo, of course).