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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (41762)5/1/2004 11:09:50 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793597
 
President Edwards? He would have had a better chance.



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May 2, 2004
POLITICAL POINTS
Edwards Wins: A Theory Tested
By JOHN TIERNEY - NYT

IMAGINE there's no Iowa. No New Hampshire, too. Imagine the Democratic Party, instead of relying on a few unrepresentative voters to quickly anoint John Kerry, had allowed people across America to vet the candidates and contemplate the issues.

Then Mr. Kerry might well not be the nominee, and the Democrats would stand a better chance of reaching the White House, at least according to the results of a novel experiment during the primary season.

After choosing a representative national sample of more than 700 people, political scientists conducted what is called a deliberative poll. They created a group of well-informed voters by giving them home computers and exposing them to the candidates' commercials and policy positions. These voters, using microphones with the computers, discussed the candidates and the issues in small groups that met online once a week, starting in January on the day of the Iowa caucuses.

Over the next five weeks, as Mr. Kerry built up momentum among both real-life primary voters and the control group in the experiment, Senator John Edwards enjoyed the biggest surge in the well-informed test group, which was won over by his personal traits as well as by his policies, notably his protectionism on trade. Besides appealing to the Democrats in the test group, Mr. Edwards did better among the group's independents and Republicans, and he emerged as the strongest candidate against Mr. Bush.

"The normal primary process allows a few small and unrepresentative states to create the momentum for all that follows," said James Fishkin, who conducted the study with Shanto Iyengar, a Stanford colleague, and Robert C. Luskin of the University of Texas. "We wanted an alternative to shrinking sound bites, attack ads and a largely inattentive public that responds mainly to candidates' traits and horse-race coverage by the media," Mr. Fishkin said. "What would happen if people across the country were really engaged and informed and had a chance to think about the issues?"

You may call him a dreamer. But there must be at least one former presidential candidate who shares his sentiments.

Towel Talk

At Yale, 1965

WHAT exactly was the topic of the first debate between John Kerry and George W. Bush? And what exactly were they wearing?

Neither candidate seems to remember the historic occasion, but a new biography, "John F. Kerry," by three Boston Globe reporters, breaks the story of a debate at Yale over school busing. It was in the fall of 1965, when Mr. Kerry was a senior and Mr. Bush was a sophomore. David Thorne, a classmate of Mr. Kerry's who would later become his brother-in-law, is quoted describing the argument in the locker room near the Yale playing fields: "John had been participating in busing stuff, but George was very conservatively placed and thought it was a crazy idea."

Given the subsequent unpopularity of school busing experiments, this sounds like a potentially useful moment for Mr. Bush, who could point to it as evidence of his superior common sense even during his fraternity days. But there is a complication. In an interview on Friday, Mr. Thorne said he thought it was actually about a different kind of busing.

"I meant the Freedom Rides to Mississippi," Mr. Thorne said, referring to the trips by college students to protest racial segregation, which he recalled being a much bigger issue than school busing in 1965. "To the best of my memory, John was supportive of the rides and Bush was not. He had a conservative attitude that Northerners shouldn't be messing with the South."

In that context, it looks like a useful moment for Mr. Kerry. But one of the book's authors, Michael Kranish, stood by the original interpretation after reviewing a transcript of the interview. "David Thorne used the word `busing' twice in the interview and never mentioned Freedom Rides," Mr. Kranish said. "I don't think an argument about Freedom Rides makes as much sense." Although school busing in late 1965 was not yet the major issue it would become, Mr. Kranish said, it had recently been in the news because of court cases over school segregation and busing in Massachusetts.

After hearing that information on Friday, Mr. Thorne said he was no longer sure exactly what aspect of segregation had been debated. "This was 40 years ago," he pleaded. He was also unable to resolve the other major question for historians about that locker-room encounter: Was it the first nude presidential debate?

"It could have been, but I'm not sure," Mr. Thorne said. "I can't even remember whether they were getting dressed or undressed. But it was probably at least the first partially clothed presidential debate."

If You Don't Hear It

Fall, Is It a Tax Cut?

THE Bush administration cut the federal income tax rates across the board last year, but try getting taxpayers to believe that.

Most of them seemed less than grateful in an April poll by the National Annenberg Election Survey at the University of Pennsylvania. Only about one in 10 said they were paying less in federal taxes this year than last because of the cuts. When The New York Times/CBS News Poll in March asked respondents how Bush policy affected their federal tax bills, only 22 percent said it lowered them; 46 percent reported no change, and 25 percent actually blamed Mr. Bush for higher taxes.

Those answers may seem bizarre, but they're not unexpected. Voters routinely refuse to believe they've received tax cuts. Many don't know how much they pay in federal income tax, and many don't notice the effects because they're partly offset by higher local taxes or Social Security payments. The conventional wisdom among pollsters is that voters can get incensed at increases but don't get correspondingly excited about cuts. They hate losses more than they appreciate gains.

A New York Times/CBS News poll released Thursday showed that voters were more likely to fear higher taxes under Mr. Kerry, but they had no confidence that either he or Mr. Bush would lower taxes. Only about one in 20 voters expected lower taxes under either man, and not many more would believe it even if the check arrived in the mail.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (41762)5/2/2004 11:43:06 AM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793597
 
You can bet this was timed to affect today's voting.


Pregnant mother, four daughters laid to rest
Margot Dudkevitch May. 2, 2004 - JPost

A pregnant mother and her four daughters were shot dead Sunday after two terrorists opened fire at Israeli cars traveling near the Kissufim Crossing at the entrance to the Gush Katif settlement bloc in the Gaza Strip.

The dead were identified as Tali Hatuel, 34, eight months pregnant and her daughters Hila, 11, Hadar, 9, Roni, 7, Merav, 2 all from the settlement of Katif. The five will be laid to rest 6.30 PM on Sunday at an Ashkelon cemetery.

Two soldiers and an Israeli civilian were also wounded in the attack and were evacuated to Soroka Hospital in Be'er Sheba.

The IDF said that both of the gunmen, who arrived at the area by car, were killed in an ensuing firefight.

The Hamas, the Islamic Jihad and Popular Resistance Committees claimed joint responsibility for the attack, saying it was to avenge the assassinations of Hamas leaders Sheikh Yassin and Rantisi.

The two Palestinians who carried out the attack were identified as Ibrahim Hamad and Faisal Abu Naqirah both from Rafiah.

Police said the white Citroen station wagon, carrying the family, spun off the road after the initial shooting, then the attackers approached the vehicle and shot the occupants at close range.

The car was riddled with bullets, and the carpet inside was stained with blood. Israel Radio reported the mother had been on her way to protest against Sharon's Gaza withdrawal plan. On the car was a bumper sticker saying, "Uprooting the settlements, victory for terror."

The terrorists arrived by car from the nearby Palestinian village of Dir al Ballah and began to fire at passing Israeli vehicles, consequently killing the mother and her four children. Another Israeli traveling in the opposite direction, was also wounded.

An IDF jeep arrived at the scene and engaged in gunfire with the gunmen, killing them. During the gun battle an explosion took place but it was still unclear whether it was caused by a grenade or by a bomb.

OC Southern Command Maj.Gen. Dan Harel told reporters that the shooting was the first attack in which civilians who use the Kissufim Road were hurt in the past 18 months and noted that just days ago several hundred meters away a terrorist driving in a car rigged with 300 kilograms of explosives blew up near IDF soldiers wounding three.

"We'll have to do more to give an answer to the terror attacks," he said.

Speaking to reporters at the Kissufim crossing, Harel said soldiers manning positions on the side of the road shot the terrorists hitting one on the south side of the road and the second on the north side. The company commander with extra forces reached the site and shot and killed them. "We will investigate the incident and draw the necessary conclusions and I hope that it will be the last time Israeli civilians and soldiers are harmed," he said.

The terror groups said the attack was in response to Israel's recent assassinations of the founder of the Hamas, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, and his successor, Abdel Aziz Rantisi.

"The attack is part of the Palestinian reprisals for the daily crimes committed by the Israeli army against the Palestinian people, especially the killings of Yassin and Rantisi," the group said.

Two soldiers were wounded during the gun battle and were airlifted to Soroka hospital in Be'er Sheva together with the Israeli civilian.

A CNN crew which was driving in two vehicles before the car carrying the mother and her four children was hit by the first round of bullets and stopped on the road trying to prevent other cars from proceeding into the gunmen's line of fire.

Following the attack, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz canceled his participation in the groundbreaking ceremony of the Center of Human Dignity Museum of Tolerance, sponsored by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, in Jerusalem Sunday.

Settler leaders said that the attack proves that Likud members must vote against the disengagement plan in order not to give a prize to terrorists.

"People have to look us in the eyes and not throw us out of our houses," Avner Shimoni, a Gaza settler leader, told Army Radio. "We paid a very heavy price today."

Meanwhile Sunday, the Likud referendum on Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's unilateral disengagement plan opened at 8 AM with polls to close at 10 PM. Final results will be announced at 2AM Monday.

443 polls have been set up for the 193, 000 card-carrying Likud members who are eligible to vote. Roughly 1, 300 security guards and police will secure the proceedings throughout the country. 176 lawyers have been tasked with overseeing the vote's legality.

Matthew Gutman contributed to the report.

This article can also be read at jpost.com



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (41762)5/2/2004 12:37:12 PM
From: Mary Cluney  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793597
 
Nadine,

<<<We've decided to take Zionism at its word and live normal lives. Which is why we're going to win. In fact, we already have. >>>

I am asking this with the utmost respect. You don't need me to tell you how much I respect what the Jewish people have gone through and as a group come out of it and be as successful as they have in the United States. I am sorry but that is the only part of Jewish history (post WWII) that I know anything about.

But going forward, from my understanding, the Jewish population in the United States, and my guess, in the rest of the world (outside of Israel), is getting fewer in number as many Jewish young people are inter marrying within the local population.

It is also my understanding that the Jewish faith does not actively seek converts and only children born to Jewish women can be Jewish.

What is the current Jewish population in the world and in Israel?

How many are of the orthodox and reformed faith?

My question is this: Where is it going? How is it getting there? What is the language? If it is Hebrew, how is it being promoted or kept alive? What is the prognosis?

When you really get down to it, I don't know very much. My guess is that most Americans and most people in world do not know much more. At least on my own behalf, I have some curiosity.

Thanks for any light you may shed on this for me.

brgds,

Mary