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To: Bilow who wrote (46045)	5/1/2004 11:45:59 PM
From: Ira Player	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

Carl, I had no intention of matching the risks of vaccines to the troops in Iraq...it was simply a comment on the state of mind of people pointing out the downside of everything, without taking into account the benefit. As to smallpox, the benefit is almost nothing for using the vaccine, since the disease is considered extinct in the population. All downside to use it, with no benefit. I happen to agree with the concept of international actions when the leadership of a country is harming it’s own citizens and is posing a threat to it’s neighbors. What is “right” and “wrong” generally scale. If a neighborhood sits idly by for years while a man routinely beats his wife and abuses his children, the general population is appalled at them for allowing such a thing to occur. The neighbors are considered almost as evil as the abuser for their lack of action to protect the innocents. But somehow, if the person has the where-with-all to take an entire country and abuses the population for years, it is considered acceptable by the world community. WHY? Simple. The concept of the “State” and the accepted “rules” regarding self determination were developed over the years by the self interests of those controlling these states. The majority of these “States” were monarchies and dictatorships. Of course they think no one from the outside should be allowed to interfere. They have successfully stolen a country. Having international rules that don’t allow outside intervention means you only have to worry about your own population and you can always just kill those that oppose you. After all, it’s your country. The UN will never get off it’s ineffective dead ass and do anything about these nations because other nations like them will always block effective action. Just as most men of conscience will step forward and stop another from harming innocents, nations of conscience must do the same. The ‘bad apples’ performing evil actions are doing so from within a larger Iraq action which has positive intent. I also happen to believe that almost everyone wants the foreign forces out of Iraq as soon as possible. However, they must remain in place until the Iraqi government is in a position to avoid a breakdown into civil war. It is a high probability that this cannot be avoided at all permanently. Men with evil almost equal to Saddam’s are salivating over the opportunity to take a big chunk of the Iraqi pie for themselves. I just don’t believe, as many who are posting here seem to believe, that the US is after profit from this endeavor. The intent was and is to eliminate a dangerous man and his hold on the country. Ira By the way, I'm an investor and not very political. Raymond Duray just tends to tick me off...

To: Bilow who wrote (46045)	5/2/2004 6:42:48 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

Re: While I do not agree much with Raymond Duray, Well, that shatters my fantasy about a mutual admiration society. Re: This sort of thing can be minimized by making it very clear to the soldiers that they will obey not just the letter of the Geneva Convention, but also the spirit. Surely you jest. George Bush doesn't give a damn about the Geneva Convention. In fact, astonishingly, he's even working on rolling back the protections that were integral to the Montreal Protocol (1), settled science designed to protect the earth's ozone layer. To expect the imperial militarists (who are working hand in glove with Bush to end the planet's history ASAP (2) ) to adhere to wimpy little inconveniences like the Geneva Convention is the height of naivete. *** (1) Destruction of ozone layer: democracynow.org Use the find feature to seek comments on "Montreal Protocol" at the end of the interview. (2) Or read the whole thing and develop an astonishment and resentment at how insane Christian Fascists from Texas have become.