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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (131005)	5/2/2004 12:43:12 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Tillman was killed saving comrades By MAKI BECKER DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Pat Tillman He truly died an American hero. Pat Tillman, the NFL-star-turned-G.I., was awarded a Silver Star yesterday for saving fellow Special Operations soldiers last month from a sneak attack by heavily armed militants in Afghanistan, the military disclosed yesterday. As a team of Army Rangers was trapped in cavernous terrain and warding off incoming mortars and gunfire, Tillman, 27, led a team up a hill close to a position held by enemy fighters, the U.S. Army Special Operations Command said. Tillman's team had already made it out of the area but returned when an Army squad trailing them was ambushed. "As they crested the hill, Tillman directed his team into firing positions and personally provided suppressive fire" with a machine gun to help the other unit, command officials said. As the battle ensued, "Tillman's voice was heard issuing commands to take the fight to the enemy forces." The firing soon stopped and the second Ranger team moved to safety - but Tillman was fatally wounded. The medal for valor in combat honored Tillman's final act of selfless bravery. On Thursday, the Army announced Tillman had been posthumously promoted to corporal from specialist. In keeping with Tillman's humble ways - he consistently turned down interviews about his decision to leave the Arizona Cardinals for the Army - his family has decided against holding a funeral with military honors. Instead, his widow, Marie, will be presented with a folded American flag, an Army official said. A public memorial service is planned Monday in Tillman's hometown of San Jose, Calif. Another public ceremony is set for next Saturday in Arizona. Originally published on May 1, 2004

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (131005)	5/3/2004 5:34:52 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "There is a very fine line between inducing "stress" in a prisoner in hopes of breaking them, and using torture." BS. There is no "fine line". Prisoners are only required to give their name, rank, and serial number. Both mental and physical torture is explicitly forbidden, even for extraction of name, rank and serial number: Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War of August 12, 1949 ... Part III. Captivity Section I. Beginning of Captivity Article 17 [Questioning of Prisoners] Every prisoner of war, when questioned on the subject, *is bound to give only his surname, first names and rank, date of birth, and army, regimental, personal or serial number, or failing this, equivalent information. ... No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever.* Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind. ... history.navy.mil -- Carl