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To: i-node who wrote (187642)	5/2/2004 6:11:35 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1570343

Try to imagine that there is a God and He's listening to your explanation for the atrocities committed by the US and Brit. soldiers against "the insects". I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Were these people known to be terrorists? My understanding was that they were POWs; if they were known to be terrorist insects, why didn't we just shoot them? Tell it to your president........I'm sure when he realizes who you are and how you think, he will have a place in his administration for you.....herr commandant of stalag Bagdad. This is your chance to shine, o wise one!

To: i-node who wrote (187642)	5/3/2004 12:19:40 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1570343

I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Were these people known to be terrorists? My understanding was that they were POWs; if they were known to be terrorist insects, why didn't we just shoot them? "The report says the prisoners in Baghdad are mostly citizens detained at random and more than 60 per cent are eventually found to have done nothing wrong". ********************************************************* Soldiers 'swap torture pictures' By Bruce Wilson in London 04may04 THE uproar over accusations of torture by coalition allies in Iraq deepened yesterday when it was alleged hundreds of pictures existed of British servicemen mistreating Iraqi civilians. These were grisly souvenirs used by soldiers and swapped among themselves, according to a new report on the devastating affair. The allegations against British troops were sourced back to two soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment reportedly disgusted with the behaviour of their comrades-in-arms during British occupation of southern Iraq. Doubts about the authenticity of the original pictures showing alleged acts of torture and torment were widely published in Britain at the weekend. Significantly, however, the Ministry of Defence continued to take them seriously and the British military police have launched a high-powered investigation. The Daily Mirror, which published the original pictures, followed up on that exclusive yesterday by quoting in detail more allegations of brutality against Iraqi civilians by British soldiers, all made by the two infantrymen who supplied the pictures. Despite widespread speculation that those pictures were staged, Mirror editor Piers Morgan said he stood by the reports and pictures, and said they had been thoroughly checked. Yet whether the pictures were accurate or not had ceased to be the point, according to most observers. They were widely published throughout the Arab world, especially the picture of a British soldier apparently urinating on an Iraqi captive. This would be seen as an outrage by any society, but it is especially insulting to Muslims. Spokesmen from all sides of British politics said that no matter if it were shown the pictures were doctored or false, the damage was now done, especially coming on the back of the undisputed pictures of US Army acts of torture against jailed Iraqi prisoners. In Washington, Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman General Richard Myers said yesterday that the "handful" of US soldiers accused of abusing Iraqi prisoners would be prosecuted. But he said such misdeeds were "not systematic" and stated that an investigation into prisoner abuse would cover Iraq and Afghanistan. He admitted he had not read a report by US Major-General Antonio Taguba which paints a damning picture of military interrogation methods inside Baghdad's Abu Ghraib. Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh revealed the report in this week's New Yorker magazine. Compiled in February, it lists "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" but also cites "devastating" institutional failures. The report says the military police, who are army reservists, were carrying out the orders of superiors from military intelligence. The object of the abuse was to "set favourable conditions for subsequent interviews", and similar methods were used in Afghanistan as well. Hersh told CNN yesterday that Maj-Gen Taguba's report was the third by a US major-general into abuse claims at Abu Ghraib. "Clearly somebody at a higher level understood there were generic problems," Hersh said. He said the crisis "is going to end up" with General Ricardo Sanchez, one of the most senior US commanders in Iraq. The report says the prisoners in Baghdad are mostly citizens detained at random and more than 60 per cent are eventually found to have done nothing wrong. heraldsun.news.com.au