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To: Sarmad Y. Hermiz who wrote (131049)	5/2/2004 8:14:24 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

As in most of what you say, you are wrong in this, too. Then you should know that not all soldiers obey orders. And you should understand how subversive it is for former servicemembers, like yourself, to try and paint all service members with the same brush. So exactly why would you have made such a ludicrous claim if you had served in the US military? You are again ignoring that the General in charge of the prison said these acts were by direction of MI who had exclusive control of those areas. She had no obligation to obey an unlawful order. And being a Brigadier General, commander of her unit, she had a direct responsibility NOT to obey an unlawful order. And an MP said he asked a Lt. Colonel in charge, who told him: "don't worry about it." And if he can substantiate the allegation, then this Colonel should be prosecuted. I have a different view. I think they wanted to suppress it. This is known since November '03. It doesn't take 6 months to figure out there is torture in the prison. But it DOES take 6 months for an investigation into the activities to take place.. This is hardly uncommon. Just look at the Kobe Bryant case. But it doesn't take 6 months to implement a top-down review about detainee conditions.. And as I understand it, such a review was commenced immediately. And I bet you it was still going on till Thursday, and maybe still going on now. If you have proof, please present it.. Other than that, it's mere speculation, and thus, irrelevant. I'll ask you again, do you think that is why the resistance fighters don't surrender willingly anymore? Most of them weren't surrendering voluntarily anyway.. But it probably will cause more resistance amongst the remnants.. I certainly would be more inclined to resist.. But then again, these folks are unlawful combatants. They do not represent (for the most part) any organized resistance movement (Baathist.. etc.).. They do not wear designated uniforms.. They themselves commit tremendous war-crimes, such a car bombings and mortar attacks against police and civilians... And thus, they don't really fall under the Geneva convention.. They are essentially in the same "grey" zone as those incarcerated in Guatanamo.. But it certainly doesn't justify the activities that we've seen in those photos.. But let's look at it this way... These terrorists are targeting and killing innocent civilians. Has this hardened the resolve of the civilians to resist these terrrorists? Or is it making them afraid of siding with the US?? So is you're logic truly sound? Hawk