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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (187724)5/3/2004 7:23:35 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 1570746
 
<font color=brown>Please read this article carefully. The idiots that you support with your heart and mind and your vote have boxed themselves into a corner just as Al was trying to explain to you. They had no choice but to turn Fallujah over to Saddam's ex general who refuses to wear the uniform of the new Iraqi army and refuses to turn over our enemy. You understand why he refuses, don't you? You do understand what our passive acceptance of that position means, don't you?

YOUR PRESIDENT HAS FUKKING HUMILIATED US IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE WORLD! DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!

Now.......before you call me and my friends idiots, I would suggest you look and see if your house is made of glass. Frankly, its looking to me like its made of glass.........very cheap glass at that! <font color=black>

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Iraqi general refuses to give up Falluja fighters

Rory McCarthy in Falluja
Monday May 3, 2004
The Guardian

The Iraqi general chosen to run a new security force in Falluja yesterday distanced himself from the US military by refusing American demands to give up foreign fighters supposedly hiding in the city.

As a flood of civilians returned home after four weeks of a ferocious assault on the city by American marines, Major General Jasim Mohammed Saleh said the US had provoked a backlash from ordinary Iraqis.

"The reasons for the resistance go back to the American provocations, the raids and abolishing the army, which made Iraqis join the resistance," he said.

American commanders say 200 foreign fighters are holed up in Falluja and have demanded that the city hands them over. But Gen Saleh, an ex-Republican Guard officer who has been mooted to run a 1,000-strong local security force, has refused. "There are no foreign fighters in Falluja and the local tribal leaders have told me the same," he said.

His remarks have put him at odds with the US-led coalition.

Yesterday America's most senior military officer, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Richard Myers, added to the confusion about Gen Saleh's role by denying that he had been put in charge of Falluja.

"There's another general they're looking at," Gen Myers told ABC's This Week. "My guess is, it will not be General Saleh. It will not - he will not be their leader ... He may have a role to play, but that vetting has yet to take place."

Gen Myers, who stressed that the marines were not withdrawing from Falluja, did not respond to a question earlier on Fox News about whether Gen Saleh, one of Saddam Hussein's generals, had been involved in brutally suppressing Iraq's Kurdish minority.

He told Fox: "The goals and objectives ... in Falluja have been what they've been all along. We've got to deal with the extremist and foreign fighters, we've got to get rid of the heavy weapons and we've got to find the folks that perpetrated the Blackwater atrocity", in which four American contract workers were killed and mutilated by a mob.

Yesterday Iraqi police and members of the new Iraqi Civil Defence Corps were positioned along the main street in the city, but many of the back roads were still under the control of men with their faces wrapped in scarves and armed with Kalashnikovs and rocket-propelled grenades.

In a back street behind the ICDC's headquarters, young recruits gave their names to register for the new security force. Once approved by a local former Iraqi army officer they received a uniform and a pair of desert boots. Several tried to sell the boots almost immediately, asking for 15,000 dinars (£8) a pair.

"What the people want now is security and that is what we are providing," said Salah Noori, 22, a Fallujan student who studies management at Baghdad University and signed up yesterday to join the new force. "But you know this big battle in Falluja wasn't just to get the Americans out of our city, it was to get the Americans out of Iraq. We have had a great victory in Falluja. The Americans have all these weapons and we had nothing, and we fought them."

Until now the police and civil defence corps, both created by the US military, have struggled to assert any authority in Falluja. Marked out as collaborators, they regularly face attack.

"The core of the problem is when you bring people to provide security who have been chosen by the Americans and not by the people of Falluja," said another recruit, Ahmad Khudair, 32. "Gen Saleh is not chosen by the Americans and he is supported by the people here. He will bring the right solution."

Several of the families returning to the city called at the football stadium, which at the start of the fighting was turned into an impromptu graveyard. At the entrance a white cloth banner hung from the wall, leading to the "martyrs cemetery of Falluja". Doctors say at least 600 Iraqis died in the fighting, and many are buried here.

Yesterday each grave was marked with a simple concrete slab for a headstone, a name and an epithet quickly painted on. "The courageous martyr Nasser Hussein. Killed doing his duty on April 15 and buried the same day," read the first.

Others were unidentified. "Here lies an unknown martyr, a big security guard with a blue shirt ... found near the industrial area with a chain of keys," said one. A pair of brown boots stuck out from one mud heap. The inscription on the stoneread: "An unknown worker from the industrial area, wearing a black shirt with yellow pants, found inside a white Oldsmobile car."

Some were women, while other graves held more than one body. Many of those at the graveyard came not to search for relatives, but just to look. "What can I say?" said one man. "Just look for yourself at this."

guardian.co.uk



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (187724)5/3/2004 9:39:06 PM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1570746
 
Ten,

re: Maybe it started with all those "Not MY President" idiots that lined the streets of Washington, D.C., during Bush's inauguration. After 9/11 happened and the country put aside its partisanship for a brief moment, I wondered what happened to those people. They are now back in full force, seizing on the opportunity created by the unrest in Iraq to push their anti-Bush agendas, which has never changed from day one. They never gave Bush a chance from the get-go, so you can understand why I will never give them the benefit of the doubt.

You are badly misreading the folks that oppose Bush. Yes there are those that would never support a Republican. But if you are paying attention, this is no typical, don't give a damn election.

People HATE Bush, for very good reasons. I've been paying attention to politics since Eisenhower, and most of the Presidents didn't make a lot of difference. I've voted Republican and I've voted Democrat, and I voted for GW.

But this guy is the first President that I've seen that is REALLY, REALLY dangerous. I mean, "the future of the country" dangerous. You can say I'm another lousy partisan. But I'm not. I'm telling you sincerely, from deep in my heart and from my years of experience, Bush is dangerous.

I'm not asking you to accept my opinion, just weigh it for what it's worth. I guarantee it's not partisan; my opinion is always based on what's best for the country.

John



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (187724)5/4/2004 1:45:16 AM
From: Alighieri  Respond to of 1570746
 
Maybe it started with all those "Not MY President" idiots that lined the streets of Washington, D.C., during Bush's inauguration. After 9/11 happened and the country put aside its partisanship for a brief moment, I wondered what happened to those people.

What happened is that they started to pay attention to a man whose slogans awakened deep concerns. Do you remember the reckless demagoguery? Axis of evil, You are with us or against us, old europe, the bellicose talk, the ridiculing of anyone who disagreed with his rush to judgment, the cowling of the press, senate and congress etc... oh yes...he took that goodwill in a few short months turned into intense dislike not only abroad but at home as well. And today our country has reached new lows in world standing. Oh yes...America looks like a very different country to many of us. Don't trivialize a really important topic by dismissing people with simple slogans.

By the way, I'm still waiting for you to take up my challenge from two weeks ago: #reply-20054815.

I answered and did not dispute your assertion. It should be noted that there are bush supporters today who say that bush did in fact make a good try at the UN. That is another lie...what he perpetrated was another sharade aimed at deceiving members of the UN and, more importantly, the American people. Not lost on those you label "bush haters"

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