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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (131366)	5/4/2004 12:42:01 PM
From: el_gaviero	Respond to of 281500

Hawk, It seems to me that when you get into an argument, you shouldn’t just make stuff up. “But more importantly, this "clan" tradition you speak about is not much different than the European clans which eventually formed into western european nation/states.” What is your evidence that European kinship structures are no different from such structures as found in the Middle East? Here is a contrary opinion by a scholar, Kevin Macdonald. You can read his piece and check out his references. He may be wrong but he is advancing reasons for his assertions. “European groups are part of the North Eurasian and Circumpolar culture area.39 This culture area derives from hunter-gatherers adapted to cold, ecologically adverse climates. In such climates there is pressure for male provisioning of the family and a tendency toward monogamy because the ecology did not support either polygyny or large groups for an evolutionarily significant period. These cultures are characterized by bilateral kinship relationships which recognize both the male and female lines, suggesting a more equal contribution for each sex as would be expected under conditions of monogamy. There is also less emphasis on extended kinship relationships and marriage tends to be exogamous i.e., outside the kinship group. All of these characteristics are opposite those found in the Middle Old World culture area, comprising the lower part of Eurasia. This culture group includes Jews and similar Near Eastern groups. “ theoccidentalquarterly.com Also, I don’t know how you expect to get far when you make the statement -- in the same sentence no less --- that something is both A and not-A. “And yes.. the clan is important, but many of them are no longer listening to their clan leaders.” I.e., the clan is important but the clan is not important. Thinking, as the great Ortega y Gasset said, is not “deseos con palabras”--- desire put into words.