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To: Greg or e who wrote (37258)	5/5/2004 2:07:11 AM
From: rrufff	Respond to of 39621

That is a wonderful post and it is exactly the point I have been trying to make with this hate-filled Evil person. I do not condemn Christianity by the acts or commentaries of modern perverts. Yet, Evil, a supposed Christian leader, goes back and searches ancient commentaries for passages that promote perversion in order to condemn an entire people. It is as you say "hate mongering" of the worst nature.

To: Greg or e who wrote (37258)	5/17/2004 11:21:49 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 39621

"That is not honest disagreement, that is hate mongering. You quote passages that were written when???? Thousands of years ago? Since you are clearly opposed to "quoting passages...from thousands of years ago", I guess that means you are opposed to using the New Testament and Old Testament scriptures to establish doctrines. Christians use the 2000 year old New Testament and the 3000+ year old Old Testament to establish doctrine and edify believers. Since you are opposed to "quoting passages...from thousands of years ago", what do you use to establish your doctrines? You know very well that Christians base their beliefs on "passages that were written...thousand of years ago". So why would you make such a ridiculous self-serving statement simply to defend and collaborate with the antichrist Talmudists? Did you need a pat on the back by from one of your antichrist Zionists idols? Message 20094030 So here is a foolish little antichrist Zionist encouraging you in your foolishness and you lap up his vomit like a bage of honor. Why do you deny that you are a collaborator with antichrist Judaism and Zionism? Both modern Judaism and Israel use the Babylonian Talmud as the central source of doctrine and inspiration for their evil beliefs and deeds.

To: Greg or e who wrote (37258)	5/17/2004 11:30:17 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

"what do the Jewish leaders teach regarding this today?" The Jewish leaders of today use the doctrines and dogmas of the Babylonian Talmud to establish their beliefs and actions. They have never repudiated the citations from the Talmud which we quoted. The Talmud remains the guiding light of modern Judaism.

To: Greg or e who wrote (37258)	5/17/2004 11:53:50 AM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

"rampant in the Roman Catholic Church. You have totally ignored this and do not follow your own logic.." What logic? Does the New Testament teach pedophilia in any of the Gospels or Epistles? No! Does any of the Christian conciliar documents over the last 2000 years condone or encourage pedophilia? No! In contrast to the Christian foundational documents, the Babylonian Talmud, the central foundational document for modern Talmudic Judaism, both encourages and condones pedophilia and sexual perversion in numerous explicit passages. Neither Jewish leaders nor the Jews on this board have repudiated or condemned this Talmudic literature. Instead, they simply use ad hominems and innuendo in an attempt to obscure the central issues under discussion. The fact that all men are sinners and that we find sin among all ethnic groups, all religions, and all nationalites has absolutely nothing to do with the central point of our discussion. Modern Judaism central doctrinal book, the Babylonian Talmud, both encourages and condones pedophilia and sexual perversion with children. Pedophilia among priests has been condemned by the entire leadership of the Catholic Church--Pope and Cardinals--as totally opposed to Catholic and Christian teaching. The Catholic laity themselves have exposed this abomination to the entire community and repudiated the priests and bishops who permitted it. Where is the repudiation of the Talmud from the Jewish leaders or from the Jewish laity? Again, no where in the central doctrinal writings of the Christianity do you find where pedophilia and sexual child abuse is condoned are encouraged as it is in the Babylonian Talmud. It is only your anti-Catholic bigotry and the demon of collaboration with antichrist Judaism that compels you to compare apples to oranges.

To: Greg or e who wrote (37258)	7/1/2004 10:36:01 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

"You have no evidence that there is a rash of child sexual abuse among Jewish people." Message 20271691 Message 20271718 Message 20271795 Message 20271025 Message 20271039 Message 20271043 Message 20271077 On the one hand, the Jewish controlled media and TV networks avoids and hide the sex crimes committed by rabbis, but when it comes to sex crimes committed by the Christian clergy, they magnify and exaggerate the crimes by featuring each on the front page of their newspapers and putting them prominently on the evening news. When we consider the fact that Jews are only some 1.9% of the population, the sex crimes of the rabbis have to be multiplied 50 times for us to get a proportional picture of just how prevalent these crimes are among rabbis. The real question remains: Are these crimes condoned and approved by the authoritative scriptures of the Christian Church? Clearly they are not! The New Testament and official Church teachings condemns these acts as immoral. How about in the authoritative Jewish scriptures? The central authority for modern Jews is the Babylonian Talmud or Oral Torah. The Oral Torah clearly condones and approves of child. Proof from the Jewish Talmud: Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old). Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old. Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing." You can check these references for yourself in the Soncino Edition of the Babylonian Talmud: come-and-hear.com

To: Greg or e who wrote (37258)	7/1/2004 10:54:45 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

"what do the Jewish leaders teach regarding this today?" The Jewish leaders teach the Babylonian Talmud today just as they did 100, 200, 500 and 1000 years ago. The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible. Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud's Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: "Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel's intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money." The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ's lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord's pointed condemnation of the Mishnah. Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread "Judeo-Christian" notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God. The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As students of the Talmud, we know this to be true. Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in Judaism on Trial, quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph: "Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible...God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own...anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture." There is a tiny Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites, a group which, historically, has been most hated and severely persecuted by orthodox Jewish rabbinate. To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud. The Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: "The authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive." (R.C. Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the Writings of Judaism, p. 40). This study is based on the Jewish-authorized Babylonian Talmud. We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for yourself. We publish the following irrefutable documentation in the hope of liberating all people, including Jewish people, from the corrosive delusions and racism of this Talmudic hate literature, which is the manual of Orthodox and Hasidic Jews the world over. The implementation by Jewish supremacists of Talmudic hate literature has caused untold suffering throughout history and now, in occupied Palestine, it is used as a justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians. The Talmud specifically defines all who are not Jews as non-human animals.

To: Greg or e who wrote (37258)	7/1/2004 11:08:06 PM
From: Emile Vidrine	Respond to of 39621

"rampant in the Roman Catholic Church. You have totally ignored this and do not follow your own logic.." What logic? Does the New Testament teach pedophilia in any of the Gospels or Epistles? No! Does any of the Christian conciliar documents over the last 2000 years condone or encourage pedophilia? No! In contrast to the Christian foundational documents, the Babylonian Talmud, the central foundational document for modern Talmudic Judaism, both encourages and condones pedophilia and sexual perversion in numerous explicit passages. Neither Jewish leaders nor the Jews on this board have repudiated or condemned this Talmudic literature. Instead, they simply use ad hominems and innuendo in an attempt to obscure the central issues under discussion. The fact that all men are sinners and that we find sin among all ethnic groups, all religions, and all nationalites has absolutely nothing to do with the central point of our discussion. Modern Judaism central doctrinal book, the Babylonian Talmud, both encourages and condones pedophilia and sexual perversion with children. Pedophilia among priests has been condemned by the entire leadership of the Catholic Church--Pope and Cardinals--as totally opposed to Catholic and Christian teaching. The Catholic laity themselves have exposed this abomination to the entire community and repudiated the priests and bishops who permitted it. Where is the repudiation of the Talmud from the Jewish leaders or from the Jewish laity? Again, no where in the central doctrinal writings of the Christianity do you find where pedophilia and sexual child abuse is condoned are encouraged as it is in the Babylonian Talmud. It is only your anti-Catholic bigotry and the demon of collaboration with antichrist Judaism that compels you to compare apples to oranges.