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To: carranza2 who wrote (131570)	5/5/2004 3:19:41 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Carranza2, re: "I am confident that those who are responsible for the treatment of prisoners will be fully and adequately punished. No whitewash will take place.." Why did you think a wide array of those supposed "terrorists" and "radicals" and "thugs" were singing like birds once we got them in custody? Did they: A. Recognize that the U.S. was a great ally and that their earlier willingness to die for some cause was just "too silly?" B. Forget that they were on the other side and let a few things "slip out?" C. Regret that they'd never dealt with that "I talk in my sleep" problem? or, D. Do anything to avoid physical, mental or chemical torture? Now if by some chance you chose "D," how far up the ladder do you think the knowledge and approval of torture went? Do you think we'll be able to "fully and adequately" punish the bottom of the pyramid without collapsing the top? Do you think the military and civilian authorities really mean to take this to the highest levels of government? Get ready for a "long" investigation and a slow process that results in a whimper and not a bang.

To: carranza2 who wrote (131570)	5/5/2004 3:36:54 PM
From: Silver Clay Art	Respond to of 281500

<Ironically, the things done at the prison pale by comparison to what has been done by Saddam to his own population. But that doesn't matter since, obviously, we have taken a moral high ground and are now perceived as hypocrites. I wonder what can be done to repair the damage. It's a time for creativity. I haven't seen anything worthwhile yet on that front.> You have expressed exactly why I, and I think a lot of people across the spectrum, feel so outraged. I supported the decision to remove Saddam because of these types of atrocities. We are now not only perceived as hypocrites...We are hypocrites. Even if it is because of a minority of the men and women in Iraq and possibly DC/Maryland. Creative solutions...It will take more than that to regain credibility let alone the moral high ground. Yikes!