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To: Rollcast... who wrote (42512)	5/6/2004 10:00:40 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793718

Nonsense. I allow myself to be swayed so i can test the political wind. I want bush to win. In politics if someone has to become the sacrifial lamb for a policy that hasnt been as successful as planned, so be it. We need to grow up. I have been hammering this point home to stop Kerry/Levin/Beers who are far worse than Rumsfeld. But Rumsfeld cant be the only person in the world who can handle Defense. Winning is everything so stuff the "Loyalty and resolve no longer seem to have any meaning to most Americans" stuff. We are on the same side RC. We may come there from different strands of thought but if you now view me as the enemy, you guarantee what you say you fear the most--a kerry win. Mike

To: Rollcast... who wrote (42512)	5/6/2004 2:40:48 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793718

The mob is very quick to turn on our very best (like Rumsfeld)... I don't know how much of this is about mob mentality and lack of loyalty. I think it's about commitment and resolve. This prisoner thing was a huge hit. There's not much we could have done that would have been more detrimental to our goals in Iraq. I don't know that this is fixable, but I'm pretty sure it isn't fixable with a few speeches and a few soldiers spending a few years in the brig. We can only punish people for their specific crimes. If someone murders the President or the genius scientist who was on the verge of finding the cure for cancer, it's still the same murder charge as if the victim was a nobody or even a very bad guy. Murder is murder. There are penalties for mistreating prisoners. Those penalties are nowhere near enough to achieve justice for the damage those soldiers and whoever else was involved did. A death penalty wouldn't be enough. Never again will anyone in the world be able to say that Americans just don't do that sort of thing, that we're better than that. Never again will any of us be able to just brush off claims of brutality as bogus. What can we do to fix this? I don't know. Maybe there's nothing that we can do. But if firing Rummy, a significant gesture, will do the trick, then Bush should do it. It's not about loyalty. It's about making sacrifices as needed to win a war.