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To: Sam who wrote (131744)	5/6/2004 10:59:10 AM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 281500

What you say is true enough. The problem is that the photos neither give context, nor do they at all demonstrate how extensive the abuse is. The photos do not have to be doctored, as it appears the British photos were. They just have to represent something that was not, in fact, normal to the operation of the prison, like a temporary breakdown in discipline after a major terrorist act, to elicit outrage that may be in excess of the facts.

To: Sam who wrote (131744)	5/6/2004 8:52:14 PM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>> As long as the allegations could be plausibly denied, those who want to believe the denials will do so, and those who don't won't. Sam. Of course. The human rights minister in Iraq said that several times he told Bremer that people were being tortured in prisons by US forces, and he was ignored. The people here or in the white house who claim that torture and humiliation are not a mandated, directed, systematic tool of the US in iraq are lying. Some of the pictures that came out today are dated from April 2003. If they want to have credibility, then let them allow unrestricted questioning of the interrogators in an international a court of law. And a UNSC resolution to compel all personnel to testify. We know that the US Army knew of these tortures for months. They classified the reports "secret" in an attempt to suppress them. Sarmad