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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (131771)	5/6/2004 1:03:46 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawk, I take all those things into account as well as common sense and a cost/benefit analyis of our invasion and occupation of Iraq. As I've posted to you before, the issue is not in identifying the problems, the issue is in finding effective solutions. Throwing our soldiers lives away, killing Iraqis, many of them civilians, and increasing the number of those who hate us, will resist us, will reject our leadership and will ultimately join those who try to kill us, all for a mission that we CANNOT achieve without the cooperation and efforts of those who are not cooperating and lending their efforts, is counterproductive. I understand your concerns and share them. It's our bull in a china shop, shoot guns in the air approach to "fixing" the problems that leaves me bewildered. If you're fair you'll have to admit that there is scant evidence that things are going as advertised in the war to win the hearts and minds of the Muslim world or to create a groundswell of democratic ideals in the middle east. The tactics and action we're taking will inevitably lead to disaster. Good motives aren't enough. We need good minds with the wisdom and maturity to plan for a better future. The current administration has shown no evidence of understanding the complexities and politics of the middle east, all they've shown are the instincts and thinking of the outraged. We can't afford that in these pivotal times.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (131771)	5/6/2004 1:08:13 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<<What I wonder is whether you've bother to take into account the price we'll pay years from now if we don't take such a stance right now and attempt to provide the people of the middle east a viable alternative to the hatred eminating from these extremist Islamic clerics. >>> The price we will pay will include $5/gal gasoline if Iraqi oil falls into the wrong hands. Which will also increase the surcharge on air travel and the price of manufactured goods. Anything made of plastic, like packaging and fiberglas boats. Astroturf. Electric power. Autos. Anything requiring heat to form. Air conditioning Those price increases are in the works, a failure in Iraq will bring them on much sooner - we are buying time to find alternate energy sources and efficiency. To avoid an economic disaster and out-of-the-world prices for transportation, cars, vacations, housing. And the Muslims will be dancing in the streets. Sig