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To: abstract who wrote (2303)	5/7/2004 1:39:36 AM
From: abstract	Respond to of 35834

"The Egyptian playwright Ali Salem told me recently that the true indignity of the Iraq war was that it was not Arabs who had overthrown Saddam Hussein. He was right. As Arabs examine the photographs from Abu Ghraib and read about American misconduct there, they might reflect less on what this says about the US, which usually ponders its worst excesses, than what it says about their own systems, where such images could only have been glimpsed over the carcass of an overthrown regime." dailystar.com.lb

To: abstract who wrote (2303)	5/7/2004 3:16:53 PM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 35834

What the torturers of Abu Ghraib have wrought Message 20096591 Abu Ghraib as Symbol Message 20103507 Double Standards on Abu Ghraib Message 20104968 Arab anger at Iraq torture photos Message 20096623

To: abstract who wrote (2303)	5/7/2004 5:30:11 PM
From: Sully-	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 35834

Washington Post/ABC Poll: Let Rummy Stay On By Captain Ed on War on Terror - Captain's Quarters Blog The numbers are in, and they indicate that the Democrats overplayed their hand, and badly. According to a new Washington Post/ABC poll, majorities of Republicans, independents, and Democrats reject forcing Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld from office during wartime due to the actions of soldiers in the field: Seven in 10 Americans said Rumsfeld should not be forced to quit, a view held by majorities of Republicans, Democrats and self-described political independents. The survey comes a day after President Bush gave Rumsfeld a vote of confidence, and as Rumsfeld faced stiff questioning by members of Congress enraged that they were kept in the dark about abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad. ... Republicans and Democrats largely agree on the seriousness of the allegations, the scope of the problem and the future of the secretary of defense, but differ dramatically when it comes to Bush's role in the process and the wisdom of the Iraq invasion in general. Across the partisan spectrum, majorities of Republicans, Democrats and political independents said this kind of abuse is unacceptable, no matter what the situation, and about half in each group said they are either upset or angry about it. At least six in ten in each group said that the soldiers involved should be charged with a crime. But majorities of Republicans (82 percent), Democrats (58 percent) and independents (73 percent) said Rumsfeld should not be forced out of his job over the prison scandal, but also agree the reported incidents are serious. <font size=4> It would be hard to imagine a more shocking and dispiriting event to occur in the war than the revelation that American troops engaged in the disgusting behavior seen in these photographs. Some Democratic politicians, seeing an opening to exploit, have used the natural revulsion and profound disappointment they created to beat Rumsfeld over the head for the past few days.<font size=3> But as the polling states, not only have they failed to convince Republicans or independents -- voters they need to win in November -- but they can't even convince their base that Rumsfeld should be kicked out during wartime. <font size=4> Kerry, who just yesterday called for Rumsfeld's removal, obviously has some explaining to do. His rush to judgement demonstrates his lack of seriousness regarding the war on terror and in leadership. He had the chance to show some genuine leadership by calling for passions to cool until Rumsfeld had a chance to respond and more facts became known. Once again, he put his presidential aspirations ahead of his nation's security and tried to exploit a bad situation for his own personal gain.<font size=3> Expect the Rumsfeld meme to fade quickly from the headlines.