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To: Neocon who wrote (131979)	5/7/2004 12:15:41 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<a five year old view of sovereignty might consider that I was violating the principle> Yes. The 5-year-old has heard his mother tell him: Don't go into your brother's room, take his stuff and break it. Don't grab your brother's toy, and don't hit him when he tries to take it back. Even if your brother isn't using his toys the way you want him to, you still can't steal them or hit him. They are his toys. So the child understands the principle of respecting other nation's national sovereignty. And the child doesn't understand about making exceptions. When a child sees a rule being broken, he thinks, "This is wrong." You, however, being a clever adult, have a complicated set of rationalizations, to explain the long list of exceptions you make to the Good Rules. And the end result of making all those exceptions, is West Virginia trailer trash sexually torturing foreigners. You can know the tree by its fruit.

To: Neocon who wrote (131979)	5/7/2004 1:06:21 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<a more mature understanding> There is a short list of very basic behavior patterns, which are evident in all cultures, in all ages. These patterns can also be seen in the chimpanzees and other primates, and in fact, in all the social mammals. They explain virtually all human behavior. Dominance hierarchies. Herd behavior. Tribalism. Fight or Flight. Finding food and sex. What you call "mature understanding" is just a thin patina of intellectualization, painted on top of these primitive universal behaviors. Convincing yourself you're doing right, while doing things a 5-year-old knows is wrong, this takes lots of deep thinking and "mature understanding." America's response to 9/11, has been very very primitive. They hit us, we'll Hit Back. Eye for eye, life for life. (Or, more like 10 of Their lives, for each of ours, in the recent Fallujah fighting. And the citizens of Fallujah had zip to do with 9/11.) The country is coming to my position. I've been talking about war crimes, the pattern of torturing and murdering prisoners, for a long long time: Message 18855061 I've been saying this war was evil and unwinnable, since polls showed 80% support for the President. I said we would end up putting the Baath Party back in power, as the only way to keep the clerics from running Iraq. I said it 12 months ago: Message 18934478 And now we have put the Republican Guard in charge of Fallujah, and hired Saddam's secret police torturers to work for us. I've been right all along, because I lack your "mature understanding."