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To: jttmab who wrote (131997)	5/7/2004 9:26:29 AM
From: Sarmad Y. Hermiz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> The incidents were classified some time after the fact. That in itself is illegal. Some Congressmen have said they want probe the abuse of the classification system to hide criminal wrongdoing. But the republican dominated house will of course not proceed with that.

To: jttmab who wrote (131997)	5/7/2004 9:48:33 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Jttmab... go to the following section, at the following link: msnbc.msn.com ASSESSMENT OF DoD COUNTER-TERRORISM INTERROGATION AND DETENTION OPERATIONS IN IRAQ (MG MILLER’S ASSESSMENT) Then explain what the "S/NF" is supposed to signify, if not what I stated? Then proceed down to the following part regarding findings of fact: REGARDING PART ONE OF THE INVESTIGATION, I MAKE THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC FINDINGS OF FACT: Then take a look at paragraph 5 and 6 (a-m)... 5. (S) That between October and December 2003, at the Abu Ghraib Confinement Facility (BCCF), numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees. This systemic and illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated by several members of the military police guard force (372nd Military Police Company, 320thMilitary Police Battalion, 800th MP Brigade), in Tier (section) 1-A of the Abu Ghraib Prison (BCCF). The allegations of abuse were substantiated by detailed witness statements (ANNEX 26) and the discovery of extremely graphic photographic evidence. Due to the extremely sensitive nature of these photographs and videos, the ongoing CID investigation, and the potential for the criminal prosecution of several suspects, the photographic evidence is not included in the body of my investigation. The pictures and videos are available from the Criminal Investigative Command and the CTJF-7 prosecution team. In addition to the aforementioned crimes, there were also abuses committed by members of the 325th MI Battalion, 205th MI Brigade, and Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center (JIDC). Specifically, on 24 November 2003, SPC Luciana Spencer, 205th MI Brigade, sought to degrade a detainee by having him strip and returned to cell naked. (ANNEXES 26 and 53) Is there something about the phrase "extremely sensitive" and the fact that the author of this report felt they were too sensitive to include in a Secret/NoForn investigative report, that you don't understand?? All of those have an "S" in front of them, denoting that they are classified as Secret. Now again, explain to me why it's NOT illegal to have those photographs, classified as Secret/NoForn (or even higher) exposed in public? That's a clear violation of law. His wife as a CIA operative was most certainly classified at the moment that she became an operative. Hello??!!! Come on now.. The minute that report was classified Secret/NoForn!!!!! The Los Angeles Times yesterday obtained a copy of the 53-page report, which is labeled "Secret/No Foreign Dissemination" and was first reported in The New Yorker. The commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, requested the investigation by a ranking officer. seattletimes.nwsource.com Now come on Jttmab... You should know by now that you'd better have your ducks in a row before you decide to take me on in a public debate like this...;0) Hawk