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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (6223)	5/8/2004 3:05:42 AM
From: Don Earl	Respond to of 20039

Ray, I don't recall the entire conversation, but it wasn't a lot different than a great deal of what we've discussed on this board. The Bush reaction was one of the things I mentioned, and it seemed to get his attention that the entire event was caught on tape. The hijacking simulations being run the same day, and that it was Rumsfeld's baby was another. The slow NORAD response, and the fact that it was unusually slow that day for what is a frequent situation with set procedures. PNAC, the Pearl Harbor statement and the appointment of virtually every member of PNAC to Bush's administration, including Rumsfeld and Cheney. The Baker Report and the details planned for the invasion of Iraq with the WMD excuse, way before 9/11. The carpet of gold or carpet of bombs negotiations with Afghanistan. Cipro and anthrax. The dancing Israelis and their Mossad connections. The Israeli connections to airport security. The advanced warnings and things like Willie Brown being warned not to fly. The detailed warnings from foreign intelligence agencies. The hundreds of eye witness accounts of bombs going off in the towers. The fake bin Laden confession tape. In general, I mostly stuck with the items that have been the most reliably documented. As I've mentioned before, the hard part is narrowing down the amount of available information. One thing my friend asked me was how to find more information. My suggestion was to go to his favorite search engine and type in "9/11 Conspiracy", and that while some matches will be better than others, there will be no lack of information. IMO, "9/11 Conspiracy" is easier to remember than an endless list of "something" dot com, dot org, whatever. <<<Some of their argument seems, frankly, a bit flaky.>>> I took a quick glance at their list and am not sure if I'd pick more than a third of them as being close to the top. I think the Unanswered Questions site does a pretty good job of hitting some of the high points. unansweredquestions.org I also have a high opinion of the incredible collection of raw data available on the Cooperative Research site, but I sometimes almost hesitate to recommend it because there is really too much information to digest on an entry level basis. I don't think it hurts to build on some of the better reported items like the August 6 PDB, or plans to attack Iraq before 9/11. As strange as it may seem, it doesn't look like many people have bothered to ask how it was possible to plan a war on terror before there was any terror. Also, it's surprising how many people really do trust the news media to tell them the truth. Showing how the Mariani RICO suit has been censored by the media is a good way to demonstrate how unreliable the media really is. It's pretty hard to come up with any theory of unbiased reporting that would explain that item being excluded from front page news. Just for grins, I tried the "9/11 conspiracy" search on Yahoo. 2.5 million hits, up from about .5 million hits the last time I looked. search.yahoo.com I think it's interesting the rate that number continues to double has been constant for a long time, at approximately once every 2 months. Word of mouth may eventually accomplish what the media has carefully tried to blackout for the better part of 3 years.

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (6223)	5/8/2004 7:43:47 AM
From: Rock_nj	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20039

Rumsfeld: Unreleased images 'cruel and inhuman' Defense secretary outlines panel to probe prisoner abuse Friday, May 7, 2004 Posted: 9:03 PM EDT (0103 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld revealed Friday that videos and "a lot more pictures" exist of the abuse of Iraqis held at Abu Ghraib prison. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "I mean, I looked at them last night, and they're hard to believe." Hmmm, I hope they release them. The public needs the truth. cnn.com