To: unclewest who wrote (42886 ) 5/8/2004 7:17:21 PM From: Maurice Winn Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 793719 <Maurice that may be true in your country but it isn't true in America. An American hero named Tillman just proved that. > Uncle, that's one person, who got killed. A war can't be fought with one person. It takes a LOT of willing support. If there is a draft, conscription, force, press-gang, kidnapping, imprisonment, needed to fill the required ranks, then that is evidence that you are wrong and there are NOT enough people prepared to take the job and the USA has no idea about freedom, self-determination, free-will and those other good things we hear the USA has in spades. One swallow doesn't make a summer. I think it's disgraceful that people would be so cheapskate, greedy, cowardly and pathetic that they would force young people into military service against their will instead of paying what is required. The USA has a GDP of $10 trillion. Try swinging $1 trillion of that over to the hirelings and see if that doesn't get the numbers and the talent up to the required level. Sure, plenty of people will have to put off buying the new SUV, new house, feeding their fat face on another expensive restaurant meal and so on, but too bad if that's what it takes to support those willing to take the risk to defend the realm. If the electorate won't pay, they don't deserve to be defended. I'm paying plenty of tax in the USA and a lot of it is very well spent. I agree with the idea of no taxation without representation, but we haven't got to the NUN Declaration of Independence yet. That's history yet to be made. Big history. Maybe Bill Clinton could swing it. He must be feeling that he's spinning his wheels. He has general support around the world. All that's needed is some leadership. The world is waiting. Carrying on with 19th century conscription of low ability cannon fodder is no way to run the 21st century security systems. It's true that plenty of people will rate doing something useful as being more important than the dollars. Most people seek a lot more from their job than just cash flow. So, rather than pay more money to get military service, making the service more attractive is probably the cheapest way to get people to join. Too much square bashing and saluting is probably a drawback to service. People want to feel they are really achieving and displays of servility and obedience is not what's required. I haven't seen actual military training, but if the movies, where vulgar, abusive, screaming, sergeant majors bear any relationship to reality, then that's part of the problem. If soldiers really run in step, singing disgusting songs of togetherness, that's another problem. The current abuse we've seen suggests that maybe the training and context in which soldiers live is what I suspect. Pay more money and upgrade the attitude, that's what's needed. Just say no to the draft. Anyone trying to conscript you is the cowardly enemy. Conscription is just part of the same process of dehumanizing that we've seen recently [with more to come apparently]. Mqurice