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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (177855)	5/10/2004 9:11:24 AM
From: Amy J	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Lizzie, RE: "It is amazing to me to see a woman participating in an episode like that, I'm sure you feel the same." I have a deep disgust and great disdain for what she did to the prisoners, and she has greatly jeopardized America's future safety. It's also painful to see she has damaged the perception of American women in the eyes of the world, as well as our safety. RE: "Since these photos have been floating around since January it makes you wonder what is provoking all these attacks in iraq." An individual in Special Forces said the torture is occurring in Afghanistan too. He said the torture in Afghanistan is systematic and even worse than what has already been shown in Iraq. How is it that someone in Silicon Valley can find out about the systematic abuse of prisoners in Afghanistan? Meanwhile, our own President doesn't know about this systematic abuse in Afghanistan? And Rumsfield doesn't know about this? If Rumsfield doesn't even know what is happening underneath his own department, why should one believe he will even know how to find bin Laden? Rumsfield has completely failed to operate the war in the 21st century: computers, digital photos, Internet, and PR. I have no confidence in Rumsfield's ability to properly protect us in our country. Rumsfield is ignorant to the foreign cultures. I don't think American leaders understand the deep pain foreigners feel about what transpired. Or, how it resonates with the horror stories of colonialism, where white people dragged dark-skinned people. I don't think an American or British person could understand this. What she did, creates an enormous upset overseas, even for the most absolutely moderate individual. Imagine what it does to the fringe people at risk? Rumsfield is stunningly clueless about foreign cultures and how they perceive this. Rumsfield has created a horrible recruiting tool by the way he is handling this situation and by allowing his people to establish systematic procedures for torture in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Rumsfield has seriously jeopardized our safety here. When Tim May posted we should all take cover and avoid events after 9/11, I was one of the posters that completely disagreed with him, and felt he was going way, way, way overboard. I went to the mall and shopped. But when interpreting this soldier's actions in the context of foreign cultures, I believe it's only a matter of time before we have a dirty bomb in the USA. She has created their compelling event. Rumsfield's complete lack of international cultural know-how, has seriously jeopardized our safety at home here - through the poor PR that lacks an understanding of foreign culture, through the poor handling, through the poor training, through poor procedures not matched to an understanding of foreign cultures. Did Rumsfield go to Yale too? American government has a huge leadership crisis: the leaders have nearly no international cultural understanding of the world in which we operate. They lack foreign cultural expertise. This is drastically risks our safety at home. It's as if they are driving blind. Any engineer that's attended classes with at least 75% foreigners, has more understanding of the global world and of the cultures, than Rumsfield has. Does Rumsfield even have a foreign friend to IM? It's as if Rumsfield attended a school with zero diversity. Is this the guy I would entrust my safety to? Our safety will completely depend upon our ability to understand foreign cultures. Rumsfield isn't fit for the job. Powell is. The biggest problem this country has, is with our leadership's lack of understanding cultural diversity - this seriously risks our safety. And I think it already has. Businesses should make sure they have backups safely stored offshore. Sadly, I believe we will need them in the next 5 years. I predict the extent of the damage to USA, will be directly related to the lack of severity in the penalty she receives. There is an enormous cultural difference in the perception of the penalty she deserves for what she did, compared what the majority of the rest of the world thinks. Our govt is very, very weak in handing out penalities to criminals. Unfortunately for us, our Congress or judicial system doesn't legislate according to what is safe for us, but instead puts the individual criminal above the good of the common person in the USA - all 290 million of us. I wish Congress would change the laws, to allow for penalizing criminal actions according to the potentially indirectly related consequences, not just her direct actions, which on their own were absolutely horrible. Why should she be penalized lightly, which would put at the risk of the safety of us in the USA? Regards, Amy J ( My comments are not partisan comments - Kerry went to Yale too. It's as if the East Coast is driving our country into a rut. ) Someone please put Silicon Valley onto eBay and get us safely out of this country.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (177855)	5/10/2004 4:21:04 PM
From: brushwud	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 186894

...most software people are still out of work... This sounds purely anecdotal and reminds me of the saying, "When your neighbor's out of work, it's a recession. When you're out of work, it's a depression." BTW...that female army officer [sic] in the photos...It is amazing to me to see a woman participating in an episode like that... I so know what you mean, girlfriend! Women are generally pretty groovy and smell nice, too. But it seems unscientific to overgeneralize.