To: Neocon who wrote (26814 ) 5/8/2004 1:50:03 PM From: X Y Zebra Respond to of 93284 do you really believe what you just wrote in the post I am responding? do you think the local opposition had any chance of survival/winning if the paid assassins did not have the US support and intelligence ? you are either a liar or extremely naiive, I may add, you do not deserve the 'benefit of the doubt' for example.... "not intervening at will" what makes the difference between intervening or not? is there a standard? if there was one... the US cannot afford it.... the standard is... the so called "American Interest" is that what makes the decision...? of course, who is in power defines very much what is American Interest and what degree of importance a given issue may have.... When was the last time you imposed a dictator... ? how about Saddam Hussein... did the USA NOT support Saddam Hussein in his war against Iran ? here... this will help you... _______________________The Pentagon “wasn't so horrified by Iraq's use of gas. It was just another way of killing people — whether with a bullet or phosgene, it didn't make any difference.” - - former Defense insider, anonymous. Summary: The U.S. provided financial aid, military intelligence, and actual military planning to Iraq at a time when the Reagan administration was well aware that Iraq was using chemical weapons against Iran. One anonymous inside source told the New York Times that the Pentagon “wasn't so horrified by Iraq's use of gas. It was just another way of killing people — whether with a bullet or phosgene, it didn't make any difference.” The facts surrounding U.S. covert support for Iraq and its awareness that Iraq had been using chemical warfare against the Iranians, and perhaps the Kurds, offers serious implications to the current Bush administration's argument for 'regime change' in Iraq. One of the main premises of the administration's argument is that Saddam Hussein must be removed from power because he is 'evil' - referring of course to the allegation that Saddam Hussein 'gassed his own people.' cooperativeresearch.org Might that be another one of your 'justified uses of extreme violence' ? Coming from a 'lover of civility' such as yourself... it would not surprise me... lol! Does it matter the ... 'When' or is it more important the... frame of mind... as the when can easily be adjusted... right ? for example how about Iraq... now? Will you be installing a benevolent tyrant this time around in Iraq?Is it even clear that we ever imposed a dictator, rather than taking sides in an internal dispute, where we considered one of the parties the lesser evil? LOL !!! well... the CIA tries to keep it couvert... but in most cases they fail, as sooner or later they catch them with the hand in the cookie jar... LOL Now... don't you think you are sounding a little... pompuous ... once again ? I mean... "lesser evil" to Whom ? to the US or to the locals....? do the locals matter? are you really that blind ? or you just make it up in the belief I am an idiot and actually buy the crap you write ? I lived in Latin America for years... and yes, I lived in Europe too, therefore, I have the benefit of having received influences from all sorts of sides... and better yet... I have watched directly what and how the American form of influence works... so I just ask a favor and do not assume that I am ready for crap consumption... For years I have supported the ideology of free enterprise, however, unfortunately I discovered that the US goverment is not really run the way most Americans believe it is run... unfortunately, this situation is becoming worse and worse... King George is a good example of a rotting institution that more and more is getting exposed to its realities of outright corruption... no better than a filthy third world banana republic. the latest danger is how the extreme conservatives are heavily influencing its direction and modus operandi... I still hope that reason may prevail I will repeat once again Miguel de Unamuno's response to the fascist cry of Death to Intelligence!"To convince, persuasion is necessary. And to persuade, what is needed is what you lack: Reason and Right."