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To: Sam who wrote (42928)	5/8/2004 3:04:18 PM
From: Lane3	Respond to of 793719

Just a quick note This guy has a strange sense of "quick." <<The ubiquitous causal force in all this is the Evil of War>> I don't buy this. Disciplined, well trained, and well administered troops from a decent culture should be able to rise above the "evils of war." I don't think he made the case that this is inevitable. Perhaps in a longer, slower "note" could he make his case. Or perhaps it's the inner humanist in me speaking... <g>

To: Sam who wrote (42928)	5/8/2004 3:38:22 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Respond to of 793719

WAR IS INDEED HELL, AND THIS AGGRESSIVE, NEEDLESS WAR IS HELL ON EARTH THAT WILL HAVE LONG-LASTING NEGATIVE CONSEQUENCES AT HOME AND ABROAD. ONE SLIM HOPE IS SOME IMPROVEMENT AFTER THE NOV. ELECTIONS IF THE CURRENT WAR-MONGERING ADMINISTRATION IS DEFEATED. BUT THE CURRENT NATIONAL INERTIA IS AMAZING TO ME, ESPECIALLY AMONG OUR PASSIVE UNCONCERNED STUDENTS. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Face it, Phil, you're getting old. Kids have their own agenda.

To: Sam who wrote (42928)	5/8/2004 3:47:18 PM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 793719

Posted By: Phil Zimbardo - Institution: Stanford U Another "middle of the road" academic heard from.

To: Sam who wrote (42928)	5/8/2004 4:54:01 PM
From: Suma	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793719

Zimbardo's stance is well taken. In all wars we dehumanize the enemy by labeling.. For example as a child in WW II the Krouts were the enemy. I did not think of them as human beings... as was true of the JAPS.. pictured usually as monkey... They did not bleed, they were subhumans. And I as a child hated them. I forget what we labeled the Koreans... But Gooks was the Vietnam labeling. And then in school we read ALL IS QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT and for the first time an enemy soldier took on a personna... He was human too. He had a wife, children believed just as strongly in the right he was doing as we did in OUR right. Ever since 9/11 our government has taken on Muslims as the enemy ( and they had a willing audience as we all suffered in that atrocity )and to hate those that had inflicted such a devastating act. Yet, it took just a few... Bin Laden, some leaders and followers to do his bidding. Now we have a FEW who replicated horrors on people and where did their orders come from or was it just the brain washing and labeling of the inmates that precipitated the hatred... But look at what it has wrought . The conclusion of Mr. Zimbardo's article was salient for me.