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To: Ilaine who wrote (43239)	5/10/2004 2:09:32 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793720

My only real main concern is the non-proliferation of nukes or WMD's in the hands of any fundamentalist "nation". One Islamic bomb is enough . And if you want to thank God for something , thank God one of those devices have not been developed by more of these who would use them if they could. India and Pakistan came very close and would be glad to let you do the clean-up in Bombay and Karachi and Islamabad after a few nukes fell . And millions would die instantly. You can debate all the rest as you like ...but Iran would have gone nuclear if it could, and that is a fact . Fortunately they got caught in the act just recently developing weapons grade material and now the pressure is on in full , on Iran to back off its 10 yr old nuke-weapons program. My belief in the above is firm.

To: Ilaine who wrote (43239)	5/10/2004 2:11:37 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793720

We've lost the support of the moderate Muslims due to outrage at Abu Ghraib. CB, Abu Ghraib is a day at the beach compared to what Al Jazeera has been broadcasting 24/7 for years now. Our best hope is to get some coverage of the trials, and start a few questions about Arab treatment of prisoners.

To: Ilaine who wrote (43239)	5/10/2004 2:33:55 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793720

You do remember recently, the head nuclear scientist in Pakistan Dr Khan( Father of the Bomb) that sold nuclear top level secrets & procedures internationally ... to Iran , Libya and N Korea ? dawn.com One of General Mushy's inner circle of scientists...but ofcourse the good General Musharraf will assure you that Pakistan takes its Bomb secrets very seriously and would never compromise the strict international guidelines by ever divulging to other Islamic or rogue states , such sensitive weapons technology. Now that should have caught your attention , and something to be really outraged about ....one would have thought, but maybe nuclear proliferation doesn't interest you? Many worlds , many issues ...one of mine happens to be in this arena . have a good day.

To: Ilaine who wrote (43239)	5/10/2004 4:11:29 PM
From: Ish	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793720

<<I don't know what percentage of people in America feel the way you do about how laudable it is to mistreat prisoners, but it's less than 50%.>> Between the original soldiers, replacements, contractors, we've probably had 250k people in Iraq. 7 have turned out to be bad apples at the prison. Hmmm, that works out to a percentage of .000028 crossing the line and I doubt they called Secretary Rumsfeld and asked permission. Their trials will be held in Iraq, things are looking bleak for the 7.

To: Ilaine who wrote (43239)	5/10/2004 4:15:44 PM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793720

We've lost the support of the moderate Muslims due to outrage at Abu Ghraib. I think it's way premature to conclude this once and for all. What happened at Abu Ghraib was nasty, stupid, embarrassing, boneheaded, and so on, but Nadine is right. We're fighting an enemy that routinely makes our abuses look like...yes, exactly...little worse than frat party hazing. That is the truth, no matter how apoplectic we feel about it. It's not laudable, and it certainly doesn't help our cause, but it is nowhere near worth totally emasculating ourselves over. It is no reason to stop fighting as if our cause was suddenly less just. It isn't less just, it just flat isn't. I won't even go into the issue of how firm, constant, and dependable moderate Muslims have shown themselves to be in the first place, much less what better alternatives they've managed to provide for themselves.

To: Ilaine who wrote (43239)	5/10/2004 5:50:02 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793720

So, CB, you want to condemn the entire US population of nearly 300,000,000 for the actions of 7 (?? maybe more, depending on who was actually in charge of these idiots) After all, to carry things to an extreme, we all are in charge. We pay the bills.