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To: Kevin Rose who wrote (574113)5/11/2004 5:59:53 PM
From: Johannes Pilch  Respond to of 769670
 
You seem to get lost on the point a lot. It is wearisome to argue with someone who can't focus.

Riight. You're weary because you're a numbskull, not because of any lack of focus on my part.

I'll summarize my points, and you can do the same and I'll read them, or not, whatever.

You've just repeated lies, half-truths and pure unsubstantiated numbskullian claims, Kevin.

1) Evil people have hijacked religion now and in the past, in the name of earthly gains. That does not reflect on the religion itself.

When the religion has authorities who superintend it and who help the faithful police it, as is the case with Christianity, then "hijacking" becomes self-evident when it occurs. On the other hand, when the religion is islam, with leaders whose views are as valid as any other leader, you or no one else is in position to claim anything has been hijacked. Your views here are no more grounded in ultimate fact then Osama's or any other muslim's.

I've made the point that the Crusades were a Christian call against the Muslims, which nearly all scholars (even Christian historians) accept. You reject that...

And this is but additional proof, as if I really needed it, that you have been completely throttled here, and not just illegitimately. You once again are reduced to falsehoods against your opponent's view.

2) Bin Laden is the latest to attempt to hijack a religion for his own evil purposes.

You are no Ragheaded Pope, sir. Bin laden is supported my many muslims and has the authority to command their allegiance. He defines islam, many people agree with him, his alleged opponents fail to counter him. Other muslim leaders are as hostile to freedom as he, with Afghanistan once brimming with them. These people literally shot women in their heads, in broad view, inside a stadium filled with cheering muslim savages. So you have no authority to tell anyone who has hijacked what. You ain' got squat.

Many have come to his side, but it is an incredibly small percentage of the worldwide Muslim population.

When he is out doing the murdering and a world of muslims refuses to cast him out of it, allowing him to exist within it for years, when a world of muslims accepts slaughter of people for no good reason, its leaders encouraging muslims to murder authors, hacking and savagely killing people in the streets, this, without other muslims waging a substantive counter-assault on this heathen barbarism, then the alleged silent muslim majority you mention here means absolutely squat, and is very likely a figment of your teeny tiny brain.

Subsequently, many have become opposed to our invasion of Iraq, which you mistake for support for bin Laden's original attack.

You once again are reduced to falsehoods against your opponent's view. Many of the savages who blow themselves up in Iraq are of the same savage sort that blew themselves up in NY, in Washington, in Spain, in Bali, in France, in Israel, in... (fill in the friggin' blank). They are they same sort who blew up the U.S.S. Cole, before 911. So it is no surprise to me that they are now blowing themselves up in Iraq. They are muslims, and that is what they have always done, rather than negotiate as civilized people negotiate.

This view, that bin Laden is operating outside the laws of Islam, is shared by many Muslims, Christians, and even Bush and his administration.

Bush has slaughtered more muslims in the last month than I thought he would for the entire Iraqi campaign. So I find it humorous that you cite him as an authority on islamic "peacefulness." As for the muslims who claim bin laden is wrong, they have no authority to make the claim. Bib laden points to the Quran where it clearly establishes his duty to act as he does. No one is in position to declare him "non-islamic" because of his (and millions of other muslims') views. That is why no substantive counter-definition exists against him and his followers.

You, however, seem to know better. Again, ignore the reality.

3000 innocents, murdered by islam in NY, thousands more murdered by muslims everywhere, upwards of 100,000 muslims prowling the earth, seeking whom they may next destroy, millions of muslims cheering and sustaining them, likely millions more being pleased when they succeed in murder, and you talk of "reality." You numbskulls need to easy up off the sauce.

3) Bush is playing right into bin Laden's hand. He had scant support from the Muslim world for taking his fight to America...

What a numbskull. You actually wish to blame this on Bush. Well if the muslims do succeed in blowing you to bits, when you pass through hell's gates you will not be able to say to anyone that you were not warned.

The world is significantly less safe from terrorism today than on Sept 12th, a view that is increasingly shared by the world and by Americans.

Well it ought to be less safe, you ridiculous twit. The muslims have essentially told you to your face that they are coming for your head and here you are talking about making the world "safer." The time for that crap ended on 911, sir. You don't just watch someone take out 3000 innocent people and billions of dollars in assets in a matter of minutes and then think you can co-exist in any way with the perpetrators or those sympathetic to them. If muslims are prone to going around the world to intentionally murder people, then they were savages to begin with, regardless of Bush's actions. None of this is Bush's fault because there is no excuse for people intentionally blowing up innocent people. The world is less safe because of muslim savages, not because of Bush.

4) You are what I call a 'cyberbully'.

You are what I call a numbskull.

Maybe your parents beat you with a pipe,

Maybe your parents both carried the Numbskull-A gene, thereby causing you to be a Numbskull.

maybe a priest sodomized you,

Maybe a priest told you you were a numbskull.

maybe you have three nipples

Maybe you've produced three numbskulls.

or, like Hitler, one nut.

Maybe you've produced one numbskull.

I don't know, and frankly don't care. I started out the discussion in a respectful way, but you quickly showed your true nature with a Coulter mixture of condescension and name calling.

You did not begin respectfully. You begin with your typical "know-it-all" numbskullic leftist slander and I threw it right back at you. If you don't wish it, then you ought to be kind, terribly kind.

Your type only understands the like, and like the bully on the playground, can't take it when someone stands up to you.

Well, of course you are the numbskull that's complaining here - not I. So fire away for all I care. I'm having a ball calling you a numbskull, numbskull.

I can just see your face getting all red and puffy when someone actually stands up to your clever but empty little arguments.

And I can see you are a numbskull whose arguments are neither clever nor substantive. So at least I have, by your own admission, one virtue above you, numbskull.

What is extremely amusing is that a good number of your kind call yourself 'Christians'. Hehe, I guess you mean it in the "I'm-a-full-of-hate-and-self-loathing" kind of Christian.

Not filled with hate, but a healthy concern about reality and the wherewithal to deal with it for the protection of my family and myself. Being a Christian quite obviously does not mean I must be a friggin' numbskull.

Guess I missed the part of the Bible that says "hate thy neighbor".

Don't hate the neighbor at all, you numbskull. I despise his murderous and wicked religion and the behavior it inspires. I therefore will take every occasion I can to avoid it and its influences. If he wishes to repent of his wickedness and prove his civility by helping ferret out his murderous brothers, then I am all for him. He and I will be the best of buddies. But he is untrustworthy, his religion pure murderous trash. So I hate it. Were it not murderous, I'd have little issue with it, just as I have little issue with Hinduism or any other kind of heathen religion.

Your kind of self righteous 'solutions' to the world's problems have been shown as complete failures.

Hey, you numbskulls are the folks running the world now, not I. The world is filled with numbskulls like you, pal, numbskulls who refuse to act with decency, who reject my solutions. When as a result of your numbskullian way of life you numbskulls get into trouble, you then come to me to pay your way out of it - more AIDS funding, abortion funding, birth control funding, benefits for Sodomites, free health insurance, programs for fatherless children, the list goes on and on and it is because you numbskulls live like wretches.

Get over it, or you'll need lots of therapy, or a fitting of one of Cyberken's special coats.

I'm over it, numbskull. I sincerely do not care what you do. You wanna take your country back? Go right ahead. I will do what I can to stop you, but if you prevail come November, it will be no great issue for me. You will still be a numbskull.