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To: Wowzer who wrote (32114)	5/11/2004 4:09:44 PM
From: upanddown	Respond to of 206106

Hard to believe that there are people here who think we should just kill the prisoners rather than merely torture them. Lets remember that we are operating in extreme "fog of war" conditions. No uniforms, no ID cards, no real way to separate active insurgents from those who simply don't want us there. A lot of these prisoners are not guilty of anything and have no intelligence info to give up (the Red Cross estimates 75-90%) and were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is not as if they were all caught with RPG launchers on their shoulder and Al Queda membership cards in their wallet.

To: Wowzer who wrote (32114)	5/11/2004 4:48:29 PM
From: Ed Ajootian	Respond to of 206106

Rory, I echo your sentiments. I believe at a minimum, whoever had knowledge of the Red Cross' warnings about prisoner mistreatment should be fired, however high that goes, up to the Secretary of Defense level. This is a very different war than has ever been fought, and the US played the "psych ops" card way at the beginning, so they shoulda known that this sorta stuff would be on the stage and would need to be dealt with very carefully.

To: Wowzer who wrote (32114)	5/11/2004 8:06:36 PM
From: jim_p	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 206106

Rory, I wish it worked the way we all would like it, but it never has and most likely never will. War is hell and shit happens as it has in all past wars from the begging of time. The sad reality is if more people felt the way you do today back in the 40's, you would be speaking Japanese instead of English. War should be left to those who have been trained to kill and survive and should not be judged by the media and the masses that don't have a clue as to what it takes to win. We had every right to torture the prisoners; it may have led to fewer dead Americans one of which could have been your son or daughter. Laws in this country have nothing to do with the rules of war. Jim