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To: John Soileau who wrote (132666)	5/11/2004 11:12:33 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<<One of our Western values, and in my opinion one of our proudest Western values, that needs to take hold in the Middle East is the concept that a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Only Israel has made any real progress there with this concept, albeit imperfectly. So to answer your question the Red Cross doesn't actually have to "determine" innocence; it's presumed, isn't it?>>> Well how many clients can an Attorney serve at once and what would be the cost of depositions,travel,secretaries, courtrooms, judges, etc. There were 40000 prisoners, now down to about 8000, so perhaps only 800 lawyers and 80 judges could do the job. Might take a few years. What is most scary is that when the job is finished there would be 800 surplus lawyers. All able to speak Arabic.

To: John Soileau who wrote (132666)	5/12/2004 2:35:28 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

One of our Western values, and in my opinion one of our proudest Western values, that needs to take hold in the Middle East is the concept that a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Is that so? It's not the case in France, nor is it in most parts of Latin America where their legal systems are still based upon Napoleonic Code.. I did some research, but apparently used the wrong key words for my query, and could not find a lot of information on comparative legal systems where presumption of innocence/guilt are compared... But I believe my information to be accurate. British common law, as well as the US and Canada seem to some of the few where presumption of innocence is an established legal right. Abuse of the kind we are seeing is a potent tool in the hands of those who oppose the occupation, and empowers our enemies in that part of the world. That alone is reason for it to be rigorously prevented. Absolutely agree with you there.. And I'm sure that, given the repercussions of their actions on the coalition effort there, they'd probably not have done have done the same thing.. But they should have thought about that when they were acting this way.. It's too late to put the genie back in the bottle.. But it's hopefully a major "warning order" to the rest of our forces in the region that their actions CAN AND DO have an impact on our overall mission success. Hawk